To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

Neither party is perfect, but the Labour Party seem to have totally lost their grip on reality, so I shall vote Tory.

I do think that it is a straightforward choice between Corbyn or Johnson - anything else is potentially a wasted vote in this election.

Corbyn will be gone in 4 years or less and moderates in his party will keep him in check. The tories will asset strip our country after Brexit and sell it all off to the highest bidder. The NHS run for profit means less money invested in your health care. Schools, roads, libraries, social services etc. have been run into the ground by the tories intentionally in preparation for privatization. We have had the tories for years and look what a mess the country is in. They want to deregulate, take away peoples rights. Brexit will allow this. With them It's all about profit for the few. I don't know how anyone can vote for a party that lies so blatantly without shame.

I personally rarely share my political views. I'm a libertarian at heart and although I'm not shy about most things I find myself speaking in hushed tones when out with other secret Tory's!! It's ridiculous!

It is. It is indicative of an environment in which people are bullied by a fanatical, totalitarian faction who want to silence any dissenting views. They have invaded this thread to hurl insults because that is what they do. Crass and Manichean

I'm a Lib Dem member, but will be voting Conservative. This has been a safe Tory seat for the past few years, but the Lib Dems might get in this time (pro-Remain area), which in reality will help JC and the Labour party by taking away a Conservative seat. So, a Conservative vote it is as the very worst thing for my family would be a Labour govt.

I think you get milliant Labour or Tory, always voted this way.
Lots of Liberal voters seem to have enough money to not be effected by the changes each side bring so are all about PC, and

@GlitchStitch what is the issue with her, genuine question as I missed that one

In their latest incarnation, it’s forcible state confiscation of individual assets.
Please point to this policy in the manifesto

The bit where they are looking into assimilation of private schools into the state sector for a start.

You can't honestly suppprt a far left party and not understand that state ownership is the aim behind everything they do?

Sorry cont.
And vote what they wish for in an idea world. Hence they think they are superior to us mortals.
Then we have the swings, we are the ones who read and would swap if we think it would benefit us.

You can't honestly suppprt a far left party and not understand that state ownership is the aim behind everything they do

The worst thing I ever saw on my personal FB page was a militant Labour activist lay into my lovely friend who wants to vote Green. He called her an ignorant cunt and a murdering arsehole because he felt thst a green vote took away from Labour. It made me all the more determined to distance myself from Corbyns Labour.

This is what the manifesto actually says
We will close the tax loopholes enjoyed by elite private schools and use that money to improve the lives of all children, and we will ask the Social Justice Commission to advise on integrating private schools and creating a comprehensive education system.

You can't honestly suppprt a far left party and not understand that state ownership is the aim behind everything they do?

I'm not even sure that Corbyn is trying to distance himself from this, depending on how you phrase it.

I think he'd want to distance himself from being a Marxist or statist, but he is unabashedly hot shit on nationalising.

Well if they mean VAT they wont close the tax 'loopholes' while we are in the EU as they are not allowed to. And how do you suggest they go about "integrating" private schools if not by buying the buildings?

Deathgrip if you can't agree that 'integrating' means 'confiscating' then I suggest you're beyond reason.

@Trewser and @BovaryX this is exactly it. I cannot believe that I live in a country where so many are afraid to share their beliefs or are whispering in corners. It's a slippery slope and I really, really don't like the direction it is heading.

What it does is stoke the fires of the far right.

What I'd really like to know is, how does Corbyn plan to build a million social housing units?

This seems impossible in the absence of a state building industry. He's certainly not going to find developers to do it.

The labour front bench terrifies me, irrespective of Corbyn. Dawn Butler in charge of policies relating to women? Angela Rayner in charge of education? Christ

McDonnell as Chancellor ... Diane Abbott as Home Secretary ...

Not sure I count on here as a classic swing voter, but FWIW I'm only going with the Tories this time as the least awful choice in a pretty ghastly selection

Ive voted Tory in all GE since 2010 and will continue to do so despite living in a Labour strong hold. I voted to remain in the EU.

I was an active campaigner for the Lib Dem’s between 1992 - 2005 and did vote for them in the EU elections in May to offset the Brexit Party’s vote.

I don’t agree with everything the Tories stand for but economically I think they are the best choice.

www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-offensive-comments-women-gay-people-minorities-lgbt-9215711

I would like to respond to the person who has written about the assimilation of private schools that there is not such a thing in the Labour Manifesto - please see: labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf

I would also like to confute the point of 'state ownership' as the Labour Party id a socialist democratic party that believes in the combination of private initiative and state entrepreneurship as outlined, for instance, in the theory of economist Mariana Mazzucato (see her "The Entrepreneurial State", 2015). In my own work I have seen evidence of this.

It is also important to realise that the Labour Party's policy of state ownership is not a 1970s committee-heavy and outside-influenced practice, but a new ,dynamic model that would give people who work in organisations a strong input on how they are run.

The fact that people feel they must choose between Labour and Conservative is surely a sad indictment of our "democratic" system?

Wanting to allow males into single sex spaces for a start woolie although the concerns about Butler go beyond that, look at her connections to Anthony Watson and Linda Riley (including accepting expensive jollies from Watson).

The Labour conference voted to do it.
Corbyn backed the idea.
It didn't fly with voters so it gets ignored.
Labour does this a lot.

It made me all the more determined to distance myself from Corbyns Labour.

If people didn’t vote for a party because some arseholes support them, then nobody would ever vote Tory, labour or anyone else.

As for the comments on Abbott, which are utterly ridiculous:

• Philip Hammond was the actual chancellor when he went on radio the next day and misrepresented costs of HS2 by £20bn

• This morning, Nicky Morgan made this embarrassing appearance on live television

www.indy100.com/article/nicky-morgan-general-election-nhs-nurses-tory-manifesto-good-morning-britain-9216531

So I presume you won’t be voting Tory then, unless you’re hypocrites?