To invite Conservative voters to gather here

[Goddessofgrowth]

It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

I don't ever read the Daily Mail or Katie Hopkins. Are you suggesting that I should?

A particular highlight for me was, the comment about setting fire to us, as we (tory voters) are all gathered in one place here.

It's interesting how the Left are very very keen to silence debate (they voluntarily joined) on anything they don't like, by using name calling, slurs and whatnot to shut up dissenters. Why?

Women have already been told to die in a grease fire by another person desperate to stop discussion on a topic that Labour fully endorse. And here on this very thread we have another one offering the same level of "bantz".

I guess wrongthink really is a thing and Labour supporters are desperate to police it. I'm sure that PC Gul will be looking us all up without delay for a correctional phone call!

@Deathgrip just wanted to send a hug.
So sorry about your mum and I know so much of what you mean about the challenges of raising a SEN child.
We had to pay a lot of money we don't really have to get our child along a tribunal route for the content / placement of his EHCP. The LA would have seen him drown in mainstream and probably opt out.

This would have meant one of us not working and selling our home.

He is now at a local SEN primary and doing so much better.

It could have been so different though, and what really riles is that two hardworking tax paying parents would have been forced to sacrifice an income ( which we can ill afford ) at the same time as watching our little boys mental health be destroyed.

This does happen to families, their crime? Having a disabled child.

This, I'm afraid is what represents the heartlessness of austerity to me.

Goodness of growth. "I’ll be blunt - there is so much more to consider when voting than ‘how do they treat the disabled.’ Most people are not disabled"

Are you saying that people should only care about issues that affect them personally (people like themselves)? Just to be clear.

Another previous Labour voter here but already sent off my Tory postal vote .
Corbyn has seen to that

No, I’m saying that you weigh everything up and you reach a decision based on all of those factors.

It’s a bit like when you are stopped in the street by chuggers, isn’t it? Do you mean you don’t care about South American tree monkeys going extinct?

Of course you do, in a way - as in you’d prefer it not to happen - but there are all sorts of wrongs in the world and South American tree monkeys (or whatever they are trying to get you to sign up to support) aren’t top of the priority at that given time.

Another way of putting it is that I couldn’t support a party I think are going to bring a shitshow to the country because they might be nice to disabled people, even though that might be a good thing.

Wow @Cheguevarahamster

If that was aimed at me then just wow.

Most people decide on a range of issues. For some it is always just one key issue for them eg some feel so strongly against abortion they will alway put their vote that way; others might be glad the Tories have not gone ahead with the planned changes to our very sensible existing gender change laws; others it might be hunting or climate change.

However for many it will be an overall decision based on what enables the UK to operate in an economically sustainable way such that we try to to balance our books or get closer to it which means we can look after the less fortunate better (not worse as Labour often tries to imply). If you spend all the family's money the day after pay day the children may be smiling because they have had 5 ice creams but they will not be thanking you in 6 days time. It is the same with the country, the economy and the difference between Labour and the Tories. For many women with children they know the Tories are the wiser choice.

Sorry @Cheguevarahamster I can see it wasn't, just bad thread timing

Fliss, why did you assume it was aimed at you when cheg was a) supporting you and b) named me?

This is one of the most commonly trotted out wind ups of the anti-Tories. No .... I don't vote for my personal interest in any way ... I vote for what I believe to be best for the country.
Imo the difference between Labour and the Tories on disability benefits and rights is insufficient to make it form a part of my decision. There are also many other issues of equal or arguably greater importance to consider.
Does this mean I don't care about the disabled? No ... my job proves that.

Thanks goodness of growth for your answer.

Missfliss - why wow? Wasn't aimed at you. THat's why I addressed it to goodness.

No, Xenia, the economy of a country does not work in the same way as the economy of a household. That is lazy thinking, as has been explained so many times. As a fellow lawyer, I’d expect a better-researched position from you!

I'm voting conservative. Corbyn is awful and I could never vote for Labour knowing about the Anti Semitism. Their policies are ridiculous free wifi for everyone?! I work in a hospital and many of my colleagues - doctors included are voting conservative due to Corbyns labour. Hes a dinosaur. To the person who said disabled people have suffered at the hands of torys. I can categorically say that labour were not great either as in 2005 when labour were in power my father was extremely ill and could not get any benefits as they deemed him fit for work...he then died in 2008 never getting what he was entitled to and struggling trying to work in manual labour with heart failure.

Again. I apologised@Cheguevarahamster it was the order of messages that made me think that.

@Goddessofgrowth ???

No choice for me except voting conservative this time. Happy to give Boris my vote after considering the other poor options. ... and just wanted to put on record that I'm an NHS Nurse.

So the Conservative party reinstated her after her suspension, but as they were privy to her statements regarding her earlier involvement and I am not, I am content that she is not a threat to national security.

Can you actually imagine the flogging you’d all be giving Labour if this were a labour councillor? This is just rank hypocrisy. There’d be posts all over MN about the “labour IRA member” because the tabloids would be running it daily. And yet you’ve never heard of her, despite this story breaking a few years ago. Don’t you think that’s a little odd?

Thatcher didn’t just shake hands with Pinochet, they were close friends.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html

Liam Fox met with Duterte and discussed their “shared values”.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/liam-fox-philippines-rodrigo-duterte-brexit-article-50-trade-a7667031.html

May cosied up to and sold arms to various horrific regimes.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-arms-sales-weapons-turkey-saudi-arabia-syria-caat-tory-ministers-a9186181.html

(And it was £5bn in the term before that)

Can you not see how hypocritical all this mud slinging is?

I’ll be blunt - there is so much more to consider when voting than ‘how do they treat the disabled.’ Most people are not disabled.

I don’t use the word privilege very often, but this comment demonstrates it absolutely.

Is it the only consideration? No. But it’s a very good marker for how a government treats its citizens, and if you vote conservative you are condoning it. It may not be you or your child now, so it’s as relevant as South American tree monkeys to you (I mean really? And how fortunate for you) but it could be at any point.

And as for the people blaming “the left” for one violent comment, perhaps I should share some of the messages I’ve had over the years from right wingers, including rape and death threats? Tommy Robinson supports Boris Johnson. There are people in the wrong on both sides.

I’m so sorry MissFliss. It’s absolutely unacceptable that this is happening to so many children and their parents in this country, but clearly it’s not significant enough to those not personally dealing with it. Even before I had disabled children I could never vote for a party who treated vulnerable people this way.

@Deathgrip

Thankyou.this has articulated so well for me.

"
I don’t use the word privilege very often, but this comment demonstrates it absolutely.

Is it the only consideration? No. But it’s a very good marker for how a government treats its citizens, and if you vote conservative you are condoning it. It may not be you or your child now, so it’s as relevant as South American tree monkeys to you (I mean really? And how fortunate for you) but it could be at any point."

@twofingerstoeverything - I think you missed the ‘if’ in my post. I’m not.

Of course, Death, that’s the point, isn’t it? If my circumstances were different, I might well be voting differently, but that applies to you as much as it does to me.

goddess, not everyone votes because of how it directly affects us.