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To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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Goddessofgrowth · 25/11/2019 08:38

It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

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colouringinpro · 25/11/2019 22:18

There are thousands and thousands of NHS staff on Twitter with messages like this. Do you believe them or Boris?

To invite Conservative voters to gather here
Chattybum · 25/11/2019 22:19
Grin
colouringinpro · 25/11/2019 22:19

"I’m an ITU nurse and a Trauma Nurse Specialist. I see the sickest of the sick, please believe us front liners when we say the @Conservatives are destroying our #NHS. It is #MyPublicDuty to be concerned on your behalf, it’s also my duty to ensure it stays that way. #VoteLabour"

woolie34 · 25/11/2019 22:21

@BMW6 oh haha. OK, being a decent person is virtue signalling. Pointing out facts is bad. Accidently atting someone a few times because I don't live my life on mumsnet and didn't understand I could just change the format to attract attention. Apologising to them even after there were rude to me. And then asking a question because I couldn't understand all the aggression towards me. Got you. I guess I should have just shouted insults, maybe I would have fit into this thread a bit more. But thanks for claryfying!

itwaseverthus · 25/11/2019 22:23

It won’t be “done” for decades. You do understand this, right? Yes, I do understand this. Perhaps 'commenced' would have been a better word than 'done' for the sticklers around here.

You’re being disingenuous. Their position is incredibly clear, you just don’t agree with it Puleeeease!

BMW6 · 25/11/2019 22:24

Chloedecker

Totally agree. Throwing more and more money into the current NHS isn't a long term solution. A radical change must be undertaken

ArseDarkly · 25/11/2019 22:25

Labour AND Brexit would be much much worse - no, because Labour will be going for a 'soft' Brexit and their attitude to the EU is one of genuine dialogue.

Not to mention two more referendums - Why two?

LookingforBakedAlaska · 25/11/2019 22:26

If I was unsure about voting Tory, I know which way I am going to go for definite after reading this...the left are increasingly condescending and often just plain rude to anyone who has a difference of opinion. There is a very vocal minority in this country who think it is totally acceptable to shout down any view that deviates from theirs. I don’t necessarily agree with many Tory policies (and am from a long line of labour supporters) but I really do not wish to align myself with a group of people who are quick to label others bigots, when actually it is more often the not the other way around...

GroupCaptainChablis · 25/11/2019 22:27

You do realise that every single one of you saying how you can't possibly vote for Labour whilst Corbyn is leader that he probably won't be leader for much longer?

And all of you voting Tory, have you all got comprehensive medical insurance that will pay out for the next 20 or 30 years? No of course you haven't. Regardless of whether the NHS will be privatised or not, the welfare benefits system has all but disappeared. But no matter how successful or wealthy you are, you may very well want to use it.

You are all one heart attack, stroke or car crash away from needing to claim benefits. Yes, your employer or your DH's might give you/him full sick pay for a year, you might have an insurance policy to pay your mortgage for a year but after that, what? Can you/he as a single wage earner pay all the bills if you/your OH loses their job due to illness or disability?

Your policy will expire and then you or him will need to claim benefits. You know, those benefits that you suddenly find you aren't entitled to after paying into the system for over 20 years because somebody contracted in from a private company reports that because you came to the assessment meeting wearing clean clothes that you are fit to work. Or because you smiled and engaged with the assessor, or because you were articulate.

This is where we are. This could be you. Ask yourself. If you or your DH were stricken by a serious illness or accident tomorrow that meant they or you could never work again, how would you cope on only one wage? Would you need to apply for disability benefits that the Tory party have made it almost impossible to qualify for? How would you or they work if care was required 24/7 and your Local Authority couldn't provide it? How would you cope and pay the bills if you had to give up your job to provide that care?

I'll wait. No doubt you Tory voting lot are incredibly healthy and so very unlikely to have an accident that you don't need to think about exactly how the Tory party will abandon you completely in a heartbeat.

Deathgrip · 25/11/2019 22:27

Puleeeease and a heavily biased Telegraph video.

Even for this discussion, that’s spectacularly weak.

ArseDarkly · 25/11/2019 22:27

Totally agree. Throwing more and more money into the current NHS isn't a long term solution. A radical change must be undertaken

Like selling it off to the US? Yes, that would be a radical change

BMW6 · 25/11/2019 22:29

woolie34

DECENT people don't post over and over how much they care - when they do, that is the very definition of virtue signalling.

EffervescentElephant · 25/11/2019 22:30

@GroupCaptainChablis: chapeau! :)

RipleysCat · 25/11/2019 22:31

Have mostly voted Conservative, but even I’m dying laughing at the current lot of Tories being called competent on the first page 😂😂
They’re like watching a more sinister get up of Blackadder and Baldrick.

woolie34 · 25/11/2019 22:32

It's the policies that I back the most. So I say I am for them on a political thread. When has it been over and over again? If that's the worse thing you can think to say about me, I'm quite pleased. Cheers.

Deathgrip · 25/11/2019 22:33

Totally agree. Throwing more and more money into the current NHS isn't a long term solution. A radical change must be undertaken

It’s almost as if a party should be proposing more than throwing money at it...

Oh wait, Labour are doing that. Have you read the manifesto? There’s some very interesting ideas around significant change to the NHS.

itwaseverthus · 25/11/2019 22:34

*Puleeeease and a heavily biased Telegraph video.

Even for this discussion, that’s spectacularly weak*

Are you denying the content then Deathgrip? If it was a Guardian video would that be acceptable to you? Wink

BMW6 · 25/11/2019 22:36

Not selling NHS to US, no of course not!
Why would that even be up for a seconds consideration? Hmm

There are many models in the world that could be examined to adopt best practices here, so the NHS can thrive.

Purchasing, for example. Healthcare staff have posted on MN how ridiculous the current system is, and how over inflated are the costs.
I think doctors appointments should carry a small charge - perhaps £10. Free for children?

I am sure there are loads of ways to overhaul and reorganise the NHS for the benefit of patients, staff, economy.

EffervescentElephant · 25/11/2019 22:37

@woolie34, how much does Momentum pay you?

Momentum gives me £10,000 per week, a penthouse in Manchester and Stormzy is my toyboy. The Tories pay more, but they only offered Mogg as FWB and, frankly, Stormzy is a lot fitter.

Deathgrip · 25/11/2019 22:37

The video is complete nonsense. The essence is “sorting out Brexit” will be complicated - yeah, no shit. It will also be complicated if the tories or anyone else are in charge. There’s no actual substance or cause for concern is that video whatsoever.

Yes, there will be things that need to be worked out. Clearly the tories didn’t have a decent plan for what to do if Leave won the referendum, or what they’ll actually about Brexit (“we will leave” is no more of a complete answer than Labour’s policy) and yet this isn’t being used against the tories.

LouiseCollins28 · 25/11/2019 22:38

Finally caught up with this thread after I saw it referred to elsewhere. Thanks OP great thread. Some good dicussion on here.

GroupCaptainChablis · 25/11/2019 22:39

EffervescentElephant

Ta chuck!

woolie34

The policies? You sound a bit pissed on your post tbh.

Deathgrip · 25/11/2019 22:40

Purchasing, for example. Healthcare staff have posted on MN how ridiculous the current system is, and how over inflated are the costs. I think doctors appointments should carry a small charge - perhaps £10. Free for children?

This will only mean delayed diagnosis of health issues and greater costs for treatment. There are people who cannot afford food and would not be able to afford an appointment. What about people with chronic health issues who need to see a GP frequently? And if you introduced exemptions the cost of administrating eligibility would wipe out much of the cost benefit.

fortunatelynot · 25/11/2019 22:40

Tory voter here. I have been for a long while but actually find it rather sad that Labour don’t offer a viable alternative. The thought of JC, McDonnell and Abbott in charge of the country is incomprehensible.

draughtycatflap · 25/11/2019 22:40

Is the thread for Slytherin?

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