To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

I've never understood the current concern about the NHS using American firms as contractors

Perhaps it's influenced by the thick seam of anti-Americanism we tend to see on MN?

To read some posts on here you'd think the US was nothing but gun-toting Trump lovers turning their backs on the sick, so it could follow that any collaboration with such a place is like supping with the devil

Burquas are ridiculous and should be a matter of debate, he was right to say what he did.

.... which was that they should not be banned.

Remember the euro sceptics in the tory party were once referred to as swivel eyed loons. They are now running the show.

Swivel eyed loons and the mad lad himself, Big BJ. Roll on December 12th, it’s gonna be insane!!

Remember the euro sceptics in the tory party were once referred to as swivel eyed loons.

By David Cameron. Are you generally a big fan of his, or just in this instance?

Mocking an already marginalised group when hate crimes are rising isn't exactly statesman like. This is the man who claims he wants to unite the country. He's courting the very people that thrive on division and hate.

Why do I need to a fan of David Cameron? Major didnt exactly have nice things to say about the eurosceptics but I'll admit he was a political giant compared to johnson.

I'd have thought they'd welcome engineered deficits which offer the chance to whine about "Tory cuts" and demand more money ...

NHS England is a public body, it’s never going to even think about going against government.

Mocking an already marginalised group when hate crimes are rising isn't exactly statesman like. This is the man who claims he wants to unite the country. He's courting the very people that thrive on division and hate.

Ah, you mean like when Corbyn referred to a pair of British Jews as “Zionists” who “don’t understand English irony”? No wonder Labour has become a haven for antisemites.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/97795/jeremy-corbyn-defends-‘zionists-and

Luciana Berger, who is Jewish, branded the remarks “inexcusable” and said they had made her, as “a proud British Jew feel unwelcome in my own party”.

She added: “I’ve lived in Britain all my life and I don’t need any lessons in history/irony.”

You're not pointing to men of great character, you're merely pointing to remainers.

Those two people literally were Zionists, and they were yelling at a man on the basis of either misunderstanding or ignoring an ironic comment. The fact that some people misrepresent this as an attack on all British Jewish people is telling in itself.

Reported hate crimes due to religion have been rising by approximately 1000 per year over the last decade. The same for disabled people - combined total of more than 17,000 last year for the two groups.

The current government have demonstrated that they are a literal existential danger to disabled people.

So your angle of voting Tory because you care so much about bigotry doesn’t wash with anyone. Or do those people not count?

Some of the mental gymnastics used on these threads to excuse antisemitism really is quite stunning ...

Ken clarke is as traditional conservative as you will find.

Yes, it's very traditional for Conservatives to split with the party leadership over issues relating to free trade vs protectionism - they've been doing it on and off since the 1840s.

I really don't like Jeremy Corbyn and I have no intention of voting Labour, but I don't see why the logical position is to then vote Conservative. There are other options which surely must be better. We don't have to be a two party country. But if not, then spoil your ballot paper and make your feelings known that you are not happy to accept the standard of politics in this country.

But above everything, I don't understand how anyone could vote for a party with a Prime Minister who lies every day and in every situation. A Prime Minister who is leading a party who can change their Twitter account to be called FactCheck (why would they do that other than to mislead people?). A Prime Minister who has likely pulled strings to allow his girlfriend's company to benefit from grants and public funds.

I know some people will claim this all comes from the left wing media to which I say, there is so much of it, it can't all be made up and there are obvious examples which we all know are wrong anyway, such as saying bananas can't be sold in bunches of more than two or three because of EU regulations.

Max Hastings who was the editor of the Daily Telegraph and Boris Johnson's boss said he was completely unfit to be Prime Minister (and you can't accuse him of being left wing).

I know people will say the Labour Party is just as bad, maybe it is, that doesn't justify supporting this Prime Minister.

I understand that people are scared of Jeremy Corbyn and I too have grave misgivings about his approach to democracy and I am utterly against the way Momentum behaves, but that doesn't mean we have to accept a liar and a cheat who cares nothing about anything other than his own political ambition.

I really beg all of you to think again else we will end up like the USA with a lying, dishonest leader who constantly undermines our democracy. Even if you don't care that he lies, I don't see how can you trust him to do what he says he will if he is just making it up as he is going along?

I have never posted on a political thread before. I am not affiliated with any party, I don't love any of them, but I feel so strongly about this that I have to say something.

Ghost When johnson made the letterbox remark he knew exactly the audience he was playing to

He wrote an article for the DT deploring the fact that the Danes, along with several other EU member states, had banned the wearing of the Niqab and the Burka.

I posted the article in full earlier on the thread, if you care to read it, rather than quote what you consider to be the edited highlight. He was defending the right of adult women to wear what they please, even if others don't like it. I don't like the Niqab or the burka, I think both are horrendous garments, but I don't know if they should be banned or not.

So your angle of voting Tory because you care so much about bigotry doesn’t wash with anyone. Or do those people not count?

Or, how many times do I have to explain to you the right way to be?

No thanks.

Oh hello Frank, didn't think we would see you again. Have you had a chance to read the full article?

You're not pointing to men of great character, you're merely pointing to remainers

Since it's come up, here's what I make of the accusations that Johnson used his office improperly to confer favours upon Ms. Arcuri: that Khan, rather than paying any mind to fixing the unfolding London bloodbath, has spent the past year combing all over Johnson's legacy, and this is the best he's come up with.

(in Khan's defense, he did spend some time scouring the underground of sexist ads - phew).

So I consider this all in all, pretty good when stacked up against Comrade Corbyn.

Ghost When johnson made the letterbox remark he knew exactly the audience he was playing to

Yes, he did. He could easily have written those articles without references to letterboxes, bank robbers, grinning piccaninies, water melon smiles, tank topped bum boys but he didn’t. Because he knows his Telegraph readership well.

Saker The problem is that we (the country) do have to accept one of them. There isn’t another option.

Well I think both Liberal Democrats and Green Party would be more honest options.

Well I think both Liberal Democrats and Green Party would be more honest options

Great. You can vote for them. Meanwhile, many of us on this thread are planning to vote Conservative because we don’t want McDonnell and his buddies anywhere near Downing Street.

Some of the mental gymnastics used on these threads to excuse antisemitism really is quite stunning ...

Which mental gymnastics are those? If you’re referring to be pointing out the reality of the situation mentioned in the comment above mine, that’s hardly mental gymnastics.

It’s also funny that the people saying stuff conveniently ignore the fact that there’s already been a cross party select committee into this and it found no empirical evidence that there is more anti-semitism in Labour than any other party. For me, one anti-Semitic member is too many and I have agreed on other posts that Labour have failed to act swiftly and decisively on these issues. They have not been above reproach when they should be.

Still, not one person has responded to the fact that they are voting for a party whose policies have targeted disabled people and killed 120,000 human beings.

Does a single person want to explain how they justify this?

whose policies have targeted disabled people and killed 120,000 human beings.

Link?