To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

I think Cameron was pushed into a corner with the referendum.

Proper conservative party? Where there is no place for Ken clarke?

When johnson made the letterbox remark he knew exactly the audience he was playing to.

The Tories only look "Far Right" because Labour are so extremely left. In reality, the Tories are pretty central in terms of their actual policies.

Proper conservative party? Where there is no place for Ken clarke?

So I suppose you’re voting for the Labour Party that has no room for Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger then?

Bloody hell, read the damn article. It has been posted on this thread and I think it shows clearly that that comment was taken wildly out of context.

Neither umunna nor Berger have been in the Labout party 50 years. Ken clarke is as traditional conservative as you will find.

Johnson didnt need to use inflammatory language to make any point. He chose to because it plays well with a certain audience.

Interesting comments from many traditional Tory voters who now feel more at home than under Cameron's party.

@GhostofFrankGrimes which audience would that be? Others who defend peoples right to wear religious dress?

Bloody hell, read the damn article. It has been posted on this thread and I think it shows clearly that that comment was taken wildly out of context.

All of Johnson's articles are taken out of context, what else is there to be said.

The Left likes inoffensive BBC journalism.

fears/qualms about the lurch to the far right of the party under the present PM?

I am genuinely confused about what people mean by this and I too would love to see some examples. Are you talking about economic or social policies?

I see Boris as a centrist on pretty much all the main issues. I also think he’s someone who values free speech in way that the left seems to have entirely forgotten about. So I really do struggle to understand what the “far right” thing is about.

Neither umunna nor Berger have been in the Labout party 50 years. Ken clarke is as traditional conservative as you will find.

What about Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, both Labour PMs who were in the party for decades and can’t stand Corbyn? And who are reviled by the cult membership as “neoliberals” and “Red Tories”? Labour’s shift to the left is so extreme that they’re barely on the political map any more.

And as for “playing to a certain audience”, how exactly did the Labour Party mysteriously become stuffed with antisemites after a few short years of Corbyn’s leadership? Hmmm...

Are we in danger of conflating Europhile/Eurosceptic with Left/Right. Whilst Ken Clarke may be very pro-Europe, he is certainly not ‘left’ in many other aspects. Did Frank Field resign from the Labour Party because it was too far left?

I am genuinely confused about what people mean by this and I too would love to see some examples. Are you talking about economic or social policies?

I think it's because Johnson plans to sell the NHS to the US.

NRTFT.

Would a Yank who leans moderately conservative be welcome on this thread?

I have read enough of the thread to see that healthcare keeps popping up as a topic. I'm a healthcare professional so I may be abel to dispel some of the rubbish misconceptions I usually see on MN about the good and bad of it here.

I've never understood the current concern about the NHS using American firms as contractors. If you can get better diagnostic imaging software or orthopedic surgeons from US, working under NHS direction and control, how will that lead to the destruction of the NHS?

Clarke is likely to still vote conservative. He said he might think of voting for another party if the Tories followed a Brexit party agenda.

I imagine NHS England would soon detect (deliberately operating a deficit) and sort it out

Why would they want to do that?
I'd have thought they'd welcome engineered deficits which offer the chance to whine about "Tory cuts" and demand more money ...

@MissConductUS don't you come waltzing in here with your moderate views and useful insights!

I think it's because Johnson plans to sell the NHS to the US.

Ah. Would that be before or after he force-feeds us all chlorinated chicken, EntropyRising? 😆

Would a Yank who leans moderately conservative be welcome on this thread?

welcome fellow Yank

Totally agree with you about the NHS - incidentally, the US is generally free to bid for NHS contracts now.

fullfact.org/news/abbott-media-bias/

I've never understood the current concern about the NHS using American firms as contractors

^this

I have a very inherited genetic condition which means I’m slowly and irreversibly going blind. My condition is monitored through the NHS. The genetic testing was carried out by a lab in Portland. The NHS hospital has stated that this ‘test’ is the gold standard and would be the only one accepted as the basis for any gene therapy trials.

I have read the Labour Party manifesto in some detail as I am particularly interested in their procurement of medicines going forward. It did not fill me with confidence. Under a Labour party’s proposals for drug licensing I think it is highly unlikely that any cure for my condition would even be available in the UK, let alone on the NHS.

He chose to because it plays well with a certain audience.

That audience would be me, then. I quite people who stand up for British values like tolerance and the freedom to dress as you wish, and remind us that no group is above having the piss taken out of them.

Ah. Would that be before or after he force-feeds us all chlorinated chicken, EntropyRising?

There's really no telling with Johnson, is there? He's a madman.

I think the fact the brexit party aren't standing in tory seats indicates the agenda being followed. Remember the euro sceptics in the tory party were once referred to as swivel eyed loons. They are now running the show.

The same people who said they'd be 350 million a week for the NHS now expect us to believe the NHS is safe from a corporate American takeover.