To invite Conservative voters to gather here

[Goddessofgrowth]

It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

@chattybum I meant some sort of official government stats, voting records, public information about the subjects, not just opinion articles.

GhostofFrankGrimes I can name 10 things I don’t like about Boris and/or current tory policy. I bet 95% of the tory voters on here can.

One of the reasons why there appears to br a ‘Corbyn cult’ is that his serial defenders cannot even accept there is a single thing about Corbyn/Labour not to agree with.

I will be voting conservative.
I can’t stand the way the Labour Party are promising every section of society whatever they think will grab their vote - tuition fees (students), nursery places (parents), yadda, yadda, yadda.
The latest example was this weekend - jumping on the WASPI situation.
It is totally irresponsible.

Genuinely interested to know why anyone finds Jeremy Corbyn terrifying

Then perhaps look at any of the countless threads ... it's all there, along with the reasons so may detest Boris too

I've written at least ten considered responses detailing why I find Corbyn to be a frustrated dictator with no respect for property rights and extreme statist ambitions, and none of his supporters ever respond.

Anyone else beginning to think woolie34 is a troll, a bot, or just incredibly bored on this rainy, grey, afternoon.

Woolie "that's just it, I don't see labour's policies as crappy. They say they will help people. I don't understand how pointing that out makes me a bad person to you."

Because you point them out in a way that comes over extremely patronising, as if you are the only good person who has seen the light, in a sea of deliberately evil people.

It is completely unbelievable and unrealistic that one party is 100% perfect and trustworthy in every aspect. I agree/disagree with, and believe/don't believe, policies from all the parties, like pretty much everyone.

So I am trying to find the best home for my vote that is the least worst option overall, based on what I think is the best way to run the country for everyone. That differs to what you think and that's fine. That's how democracy works.

But you are going round with a morally superior attitude, trying to suggest there is only one choice and anyone who doesn't agree with you is somehow an inferior person, as a weird type of "good person gotcha". It's both tiresome and transparent.

Woolie, I’ve reported your attempts to wind lily up here

LiLY - understood and well done you for the support thread - have noticed that people are irked by the @ and not understood why - thank you for explaining! :)

I try not to use the word "wild" unless I am talking about an Attenborough documentary - I try to construct an argument based on polite gathering of evidence, as I am aware that many Tories of the Disraelian persuasion of Tory Democracy will be tempted by the recent right turn of the party to stray to the Liberals or Labour.

It's my job (soon to be ex job though!) to write about politics, in spite of me being obviously and fully left wing I have met many Tories whom I respect and work with. In fact one of my top five politicians is William Gladstone who was Tory first and then founded the Liberal Party in 1859.

It is the electoral campaign and I truly believe that we would all better people if we would say we disagree on things, and say positively why we think our preferred party is best without 'rubbishing' the other or making false claims such as labour giving benefits to illegal immigrants (!).

On regarding to leaving space to the Conservative party, you have your own space within party confines and party meetings, this is a public thread in a public forum and, although I respect you in full, this thread is a tool of persuasion and political campaign, and it is my democratic right to confute arguments and build counter-arguments.

JK I read the DT and Het Nieuwsblad.

Unfortunately it's a well worn path, Entropy. Obviously there needs to be some detail of folks' objections rather than constantly flicking to past threads, but you could C&P your posts right here and still you'd get "but whyyyyy?"

It's just so depressingly predictable ...

The NHS needs reforming. There needs to be a link between consumer and producer so that layers of bureaucracy are done away with. Please stop screaming about the Americans as though that is the only binary alternative.

The problem is, various constituent members of the current Tory front bench have set out their vision for the NHS (among other things) in the book they co-authored called 'Britannia Unchained', and the model they envisage as ideal is closer to the US system than any of the other options. So it's not uninformed scaremongering to think this is what is in store for the NHS...it's what actual members of the actual Cabinet have actually committed to paper as their actual goal.

What I find don’t understand is if if there were even a handful of experts who believe that Labour’s manifesto would:

• kill over 100,000 people
• force 100,000 more children into poverty each year
• leave thousands of disabled children without a school place
• cause mass poverty even amongst working people

the posters here would be having an absolute field day.

And yet you’re supporting a party whose policies have caused exactly this. How can you justify this? And to then make jokes about cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias? It’s bizarre.

Thank you, Effervescent and Goddess, your support is much appreciated.

Yes, the @ is a bat signal and makes me jump whenever a notification wings my way.

The worst thing about this election is that someone will win it.

It's like that bit in Game of Thrones when Joffrey asks a disrespectful itinerant musician whether he wants his hands cut off or his tongue cut out.

Australia’s former envoy to London has warned that Canberra would severely limit intelligence-sharing with the United Kingdom if Jeremy Corbyn wins the general election.

In a controversial intervention Alexander Downer, a former foreign minister and until 18 months ago Australia’s high commissioner to London, warned that a Corbyn government would force a reassessment of the security relationship between the two countries.

Addressing the National Press Club in Canberra on Brexit, Australia’s longest-serving foreign minister said that Mr Corbyn and those around him were “unsympathetic to and hostile to western interests”.

Woolie Not an opinion piece, but a report from a speech, made at the National press Club in Canberra by someone whose job has been in foreign policy. Is that good enough (even if it was in the Times and not the Sun)?

I really hate the @ notifications tbh.

Anyway as we were ...

I'm not sure how the at thing works as I've only been on here once before. But I won't mention people again. It's a shame to be reported for a mistake when the upset party and lots of others on here felt the need to belittle and be rude to me on purpose without my reporting. But hey ho. Apologies to those affected by my mistake

goddess do you hate them because you do not like the email or you do not like to see @ Name in the post? I am in two mind about this because of course in other social media you have to @ the person or they do not see the post. I think this forum has a combination of old school features and some more modern ones and it need a redesign, really. Sorry this is not in line with the thread.

I have to go now but i just wanted to say thank you because I have really enjoyed discussing politics with you all - it is great to have politically engaged people, people who canvas and want to change the world and the country even if we do not agree on the way to do it.

Solidarity to my "lefty friends" and "Be More Benjamin" (Disraeli) to my Tory friends and and good wishes to all!

Elphie xxx

“On regarding to leaving space to the Conservative party, you have your own space within party confines and party meetings,”

I agree with the rest of your post, but what on earth does this mean? Do you think we are all paid up party members, convening in dusty village halls and conferences with a joint strategy on what to post in response on an aibu thread?

Apologies if I’ve woefully misunderstood.

Not an opinion piece, but a report from a speech, made at the National press Club in Canberra by someone whose job has been in foreign policy. Is that good enough (even if it was in the Times and not the Sun)?

The entire speech was an opinion piece, from a man who was removed as Opposition Leader after making a speech to the anti-Semitic far right group The Australian League of Rights (plus mocking domestic violence and more)

Why would such a man badmouth Corbyn, I wonder? It’s a toughie.

“Apologies to those affected by my mistake”

Australia’s former envoy to London has warned that Canberra would severely limit intelligence-sharing with the United Kingdom if Jeremy Corbyn wins the general election.

Not to mention what Sir Richard Dearlove said: that "if Jeremy Corbyn was applying to join any of this country’s security services – MI5, GCHQ or MI6 – he would not be cleared to do so. He would be rejected by the vetting process".

I don't think there's much ambiguity there.

SingingLily I don't think he'd get through the vetting process my dh has to do...especially the bit about your contacts.

I think they have their head in the sand.

And they keep it there! Head in the sand, arse in the air, as OH often says.
As one who lived through the last hard Labour government and the union's destruction of the manufacturing industry, long before Mrs T, I'm actually terrified at the thought of Comrade Corbyn getting into No 10. The very rich will have the ability to get round his threats, like they did with Healey's 'squeazing them until the pips squeak', they'll get their considerable wealth put of the country, the burden will fall on the middle earners, as usual.

Deathgrip you're going to be a long time cutting and pasting if you want to discredit everyone who thinks that Corbyn and his underlings are hostile to Western interests.