To invite Conservative voters to gather here

[Goddessofgrowth]

It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

I agree that it is business as usual wrt Russia, but when you add interference from russia to the current Tory proposals to tip the balance of power in favour of the executive by curtailing Judicial Review, this makes it much more worrying imo. What is going to happen to our checks and balances system?

Ghost define "ordinary"

One party has irrefutable proof or hurting minorities and vulnerable groups.

Can I just ask how this opinion tallies with the fact that the UK is one of the most sought after destinations for economic migrants?

I'd be interested to see how successful help to save is when alot of low earners can barely make end meet let alone save.

The minimum wage has gone up from £6.50 in 2014 to £8.21.

Help to save is for middle class. No one working class or lower would ever be able to afford rent and saving for a house in this market with the min wage. pyrrhic defeat

@Goddessofgrowth have you seen how much everything else has gone up to buy rent etc?

Being an english speaking country is beneficial to migrants. Professionals where there is a shortfall of british workers can do well. I believe migration to the UK from EU countries is down since 2016.

This Tory party has been well and truly gatecrashed by louder, noisy and more argumentative folk - what about moving on somewhere else OP, so we can continue our chat?

Help to Save is a new savings scheme for people on low incomes who are claiming certain benefits. Help to Save gives you a bonus payment from the government of up to 50% (half) on savings paid into the account.

Just for the middle class eh? Wrong again.

Not since 2014, woolie

Property prices rampaged from the mid 2000s, under s labour government.

Help to save is for middle class. No one working class or lower would ever be able to afford rent and saving for a house in this market with the min wage. pyrrhic defeat

Dear, oh dear. The scheme is for those on Tax Credits or Universal Credit. The purpose of the savings account is up to the account holder. It is not about saving a deposit for a house.

You didn't read it, did you?

@Chattybum are there a lot of universal credit receiving disabled economic migrants?

If saving was so easy millions of low earners wouldn't be stuck renting privately they'd be home owners having built up a deposit.

@sorry my mistake I didn't realise it was for uc too. Although it still stands that it doesn't matter because they will never earn enough to buy a house

The scheme is highly unlikely to get low earners out of a cycle of low earning.

That’s a bit naive tbf ghost

“Quite. Sick of being insulted for exercising my right to choose which party I want to vote for! Tory all the bloody way, even after the fields of wheat shitshow.”

This! ^ Although I would rather run through fields of wheat with gay abandon, than be forced to toil in them with my state approved sickle, with a kalshnikov pressed into my back, should Jesbollah/Maodonnell’s true ideologies ever be given the chance to follow their logical conclusion.

Companies should be paying a living wage not expecting the state to subsidise low earning employees.

and it made very little difference, except give us a huge debt that austerity is trying to pay off

It didn’t give us that debt, that was caused by the 2007 global financial crash and bailing out the banks. That debt has risen, despite austerity. The NHS improved massively between 1997 and 2010, waiting lists fell as did A&E waiting times. I was working in the NHS, I saw it with my own eyes.

This is why those of us who won’t vote Tory will stay on this thread so misinformation can be challenged and corrected.

Although it still stands that it doesn't matter because they will never earn enough to buy a house

Dear, oh dear, oh dear. You not only didn't read the thread, you didn't read my post, did you?

The scheme is for those on Tax Credits or Universal Credit. The purpose of the savings account is up to the account holder. It is not about saving a deposit for a house.

www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/help-to-save/

Some of the possible flaws are seen here. Also going by the realistic values of savings he uses, its unrealistic to think someone on uc or tax creds would ever be able to save enough for a deposit.

@GhostofFrankGrimes so why are you expecting the state to subsidize everything else?

I would also like to add that when I was on the brink of being homeless with twin babies, one of which was on oxygen and had fragile health - it was our local Tory MP who fought our corner and helped us find a house with a Housing Association. He was the only one who I appealed to who actually took the time to read my emails and respond to each point I raised and then contacted the relevant offices to help us. Our local Labour MP didn’t respond at all.

The reason I appealed to the MP’s was that our bidding priority had been cocked up by the local council and we had spent almost a year in a flat that was affecting my DD’s health. Despite DH working full time he earns a low wage - not because he’s not tenacious or driven, but because the company who employs him have seen fit to only offer minimal pay rises for the past 10 years (if you’re lucky enough to qualify for one at all as the goal posts are being forever moved). As DH works full time we weren’t deemed as needing as much help as families with no working parents and it became a circular situation of being pipped to the post every time I was close to being accepted for housing.

So I can’t accept the rhetoric that any and all supporters of the Conservatives, from the ground up, are uninterested in the challenges of being on the poverty line. That doesn’t mean to say I agree wholeheartedly with every change they have made, but without our MP, we would have had to seek emergency accommodation miles away from DH’s workplace and from my family who are my support network as a SAHM. May not mean much to anybody else, but it means everything to us.

@singinglily what else would you save for?