To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

Just to say that Murdoch owes the Times and it is not "fairly neutral politically." - its formed editor was the father of Jacob Rees Mogg - the High Tory Par Excellence and Neo-Medieval thinker (did anybody mention the Dark Ages?)

www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans

Scaryteacher are you not concerned at all about alleged Russian interference, if national security is your biggest concern? John Sweeney’s report to ofcom is worth a read if so.

@singinglily is saying people are not reading the sun insulting? Sorry. I would never read that after Hillsborough. As far as I'm aware a lot of people agree, sorry if you took that as an insult.

Probably voting Tory as locally it's my best bet of unseating a dreadfully misogymistic Labour MP and also because I can't beat the thought of current Labour policies which are all spend, spend, spend and so idealistic. The idea of strengthening the unions takes me back to the nightmare of the 1970s. Dismantling rather than improving the problems with Universal Credit is a shocking waste of money.

Even something as trivial sounding as 4 more bank holidays is an ill thought out plan showing how out of touch with working people Labour are - this would mean 4 days of my already scant annual leave which I could not choose, so basically a week of of my choosing gone so that I can be off when I don't want to be. And the 32 hours max working week with no loss of pay - FFS

I also think uni should not be totally free (just for shortage subjects) as already we have far too many young people joining courses they dont really care about and insufficient graduate jobs.

Labour will kill investment and grind the country to a halt.

I am sure there is more but run out of steam now.

woolie
You are over egging it now. The wide eyed faux naivety is not terribly convincing

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude what do you mean?

My biggest frustration at the moment is those that seem to have forgotten that the reason that we had to have such strict austerity measures was because of the complete overspend over the last labour government. Conservatives are finally getting the country to a better financial position and are now trying to spend money (sensibly)

My biggest frustration is that people are still falling for this. The global economic crash was the reason our economy was in such poor shape. Austerity is ideological and it hasn’t worked. The national debt is nearly three times higher than it was in 2010.

(I assume that the Labour Party are planning to give all economic migrants, all future economic migrants and all illegal immigrants full access to social housing, instant access to benefits, free broadband etc? Poverty disproportionately affects non-UK citizens in this country - Labour won't be able to stamp out poverty unless everyone is treated the same.)

To be clear, you’re saying that because some poverty will always remain despite any government’s best efforts, any government shouldn’t bother tackling the fixable causes of poverty because it won’t work for everyone?

I take it back - Labour are promising instant access to benefits,social housing and free broadband for everyone...

"We will scrap the 2014 Immigration Act introduced by the Tories with their Liberal Democrat coalition partners."

"We are for a levelling up of rights, not a race to the bottom.We will not tolerate a two-tier system for those entitled to be here."

"If we remain in the EU, freedom of movement would continue."

woolie
Hilarious response

Hello PobParker! Sending a wave and a thumbs up. The thread had moved on at a gallop before I came back and saw your post, but I just wanted to say thanks that we can count on your vote.
I’ve been pounding the pavements of Perthshire leafleting for the Tories and it’s nice to see support building.
Must say, Nicola Sturgeon is our biggest recruiter.
Every time she’s on tv smirking and whining about yet another independence referendum to break up our country, she drives more people into tactical voting for us to stop her!
We just need 22 more Tory votes to get Wishart out and win our constituency - it’s easily doable. Our candidate is my local councillor and a good bloke. Not afraid to get his hands dirty volunteering to clear litter in the villages, and always approachable on local problems.

@scaryteacher, without wading into the detail of the debate you are engaged in, I want to say one thing. On the whole, in my experience, people have made up their minds which way they will vote and use choice pieces of evidence to justify that decision retrospectively. I am sure I am as guilty of that as any one else. For the most part, decisions of this sort and emotional and cumulative. When people change the way they vote it is often because little events over the last few years will build until one individual reaches an emotional tipping point and makes a decision to change the habit of a lifetime or a long-held opinion. I doubt much said by party officials between now and 12 December will encourage people to vote for their party, whereas a big blunder can encourage people to vote against their party or not vote at all. With regards to the issue you are talking about, people who have already made u their mind which way they are going to vote will only be receptive to the content of your articles if it reinforces their voting decision. If it doesn't, they will already have reasons why it shouldn't influence their vote. I hope that makes sense.

Conservative all the way. Labour’s 83 billion in tax rises, hundreds of billions in uncosted borrowing, deep-seated antisemitism and far-left lunacy would destroy this country.

Maybe if we beat them badly enough, Labour will dump their extremists and be able to provide a sane Opposition in the future!

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude ?

my DH is a doctor and feels as though he is in a Tory minority of 1 when all the junior doctors (including in our own family) want a Corbyn government.

It's ironic that all the "oh jeepers golly gosh shucks!" comrades on here are so convinced they are the be nice party for everyone, when in reality it still boils down to "Labour will give me more free stuff" anyway - better benefits, better jobs, better freebies, basically more free money.

I believe there is a balance between the torrent of cash waterfall of the last Labour government and the penny pinching current situation, but I don't believe Labour's solution is the right one for the country/our economy as a whole at this time. That's not to say I think Conservatives ARE the right answer (far from it). Just least worst.

is saying people are not reading the sun insulting? Sorry. I would never read that after Hillsborough. As far as I'm aware a lot of people agree, sorry if you took that as an insult.

Ah yes, throw in a reference to Hillsborough. Why not?

Woolie, your posts are pure comedy gold. Either that, or you are really Dominic Cummings in disguise. 😂😂😂

Woolie The Times might not be respected by you, but it is by others. I read another paper daily btw.

You might have studied foreign policy, (haven't lots of people?) but have you practised it? Theory is one thing, reality another.

I don't trust Labour on defence and security, which is why I won't vote for them. I don't trust them to deliver on the result of the referendum. The EU won't give them a deal which allows them to nationalise anything, and if we stay in, he won't be allowed to as EU rules don't allow it.

Momentum seem a rehash of Militant Tendency from way back when, and make my hackles rise in exactly the same way.

I'd be happy to agree to disagree, but you keep posting...

I think anyone who works for the NHS voting Conservative have missed the last 10 years.

But, as they say, you don't know what you got til it's gone.

My biggest frustration at the moment is those that seem to have forgotten that the reason that we had to have such strict austerity measures was because of the complete overspend over the last labour government. Conservatives are finally getting the country to a better financial position and are now trying to spend money (sensibly)

My biggest frustration is that people are still falling for this. The global economic crash was the reason our economy was in such poor shape. Austerity is ideological and it hasn’t worked. The national debt is nearly three times higher than it was in 2010.

Yes. this is more a case of thinking that if a Labour govt spends public money it’s bad/frivolous/irresponsible, if a Conservative govt does the same it’s sensible. It’s not logical or borne out by facts, it’s a narrow, ideological way of looking at things.

People were endlessly chuntering about ‘balancing the books’ as a reason for austerity, and then Cameron held the referendum and it all went mental. How much have we spent on Brexit?

Any government can (and does) waste money but if I had to choose, I would prefer to see it go to public services, health, education etc than not. ‘Balancing books‘ is meaningless when your town centre is full of homeless people and there are food banks everywhere.

@singinglily OK, well that clears that I'm then. Thanks I guess.

This thread is beyond depressing, women who are mothers, daughters will vote for a government who have caused the deaths of 1000s due to their benefit restrictions, who lied to Waspi women, have added £trillion to the ND, they have the cheek to use the slogan ‘Britain deserves better’ they’ve had 9 years to do better!!! Vote for a liar who ignores his 10 yr old daughter; anyone posting on MN about him would have him shredded but hey ho ideal PM 🙄

Voting Conservative and really hope that they have the nerve to CUT TAXES.

Why? Because (Laffer Curve) this has the surprising result of INCREASING tax revenue.

I would like to see truly Tory convictions of reforming welfare (go, IDS). Carrots, not sticks. Why? Because at the moment, people are punished for working by an overly bureaucratised system and get pushed into the 20% black economy as a result. Humans will always do what benefits them most, so reward it! Universal Benefit is true, genuine welfare that believes in peoples ability.

We need to reward enterprise. I know people who get benefits and work 3 jobs. Good on them! True working man's grit. That is the kind of economic activity that needs to be drawn into the formal economy. Which would again, raise revenue for those in genuine need. I think that is why the Labour heartlands responded to Bojo despite poshness etc - because he is not patronising them or how they should think, he is telling them their time has come. Working class people are not stupid. I was blown away by the economic knowledge of the Question Time audience in Bolton.

So here is hoping for a Conservative government with the balls to match Thatcher - the last prime minister who truly and genuinely believed in the working classes over the self appointed 'representatives'.

Honest government depends on ... a credible government-in-waiting on the Opposition benches

Oh, how very true

Any organisation needs to be held accountable, and in government that's the role of a strong opposition who are in a position to offer an acceptable alternative. Except that right now we don't have one because Labour have chosen to make themselves borderline unelectable ... and in that they're failed everyone, whatever our personal preferences might be

I’m poor but I will also be voting Conservative, not going to spend ages typing out my justifications as many posters have covered what I would have had to say anyway.

But I will ask those who are trying to convince the whole thread they’re wrong by behaving in such condescending ‘holier than thou’ posts not to speak for all of us ‘poor people’ - we are capable of speaking for ourselves and making our own decisions

Genevieva I know - it's the refusal to actually read other pov that frustrates me. there was about 30 seconds between my posting those limks and Woolie responding dismissively. I read fast, but I wouldn't have been able to click on those links, read the content of all three, and post about them, in that time frame.

I'm just poking the rabbit hole to see what come out.

@EffervescentElephant and @woolie34 could you point to the articles that you get your information please since they ones others have pointed you to have clearly not been up to scratch?