To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

woolie
There is nothing transphobic in being concerned about Self ID being misused by predatory (non trans) males to access female spaces.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

Me too @BovaryX

Astonished anyone could vote for that anti-Semitic party that has never elected a female leader. It would drag us back to the dark ages.

But somebody's got to, so for many of us it comes down to a choice of who's least awful

What an absolute dreadful situation we find ourselves in, devil and deep blue sea and all that.

I'm toying with a local independent, but not sure if that would be a wasted vote.

I have moved slightly down the road and now in a different constituency to the last election which ended up with a Tory swing from labour, he has done a lot for the area but he also talks a load of guff at times.

@scaryteacher I skimmed them for viable evidence and found none. But I do appreciate you sending them as I did want to read more on ur, so thankyou. Itvis not always viable or best to have two way information in security particularly when the US at the moment has a worrying leader with dubious ties. Like I said agree to disagree

Just dropping in to say Woolie has convinced me I am doing the right thing voting Conservative this time.

Best post, hands down.

@BovaryX good, I've said all along if the party is the one that will benefit you then that's what you should vote for. I'm trying to help people not vote for the one that will. E bad for them. Best of luck with it!

Woolie: "But then trying to convey yourself clearly on the Internet can be hard."

Oh no, you are very clear. Very clear indeed. Everyone sees exactly what you are doing with your "wide-eyed innocent" replies.

As pp said, you are a one-woman dynamo in the recruitment of more and more Conservative votes, so please do continue posting

Lifelong Tory voter here (early 30s) - I'm a public sector worker who has had my pay pretty much frozen for 8 years - but I understand why. The country has other financial priorities right now.
My biggest frustration at the moment is those that seem to have forgotten that the reason that we had to have such strict austerity measures was because of the complete overspend over the last labour government. Conservatives are finally getting the country to a better financial position and are now trying to spend money (sensibly). Labour are promising to spend shed loads of money on basically everything that sounds great to win votes which will undo all of the work tories did trying to fix the economy.

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit I'm not sure why saying something I said all along has convinced him to do the thing I said he should do is the best comment but OK 😂

To be clear, you’re saying that because some poverty will always remain despite any government’s best efforts, any government shouldn’t bother tackling the fixable causes of poverty because it won’t work for everyone?

No, Labour are claiming to be able to eradicate food banks ect. How will they achieve that? False claim?

I particularly like the I remember Blair posts. I remember the Winter of Discontent.

@BuzzShitbagBobbly I'm not sure what you mean but I'm sorry that I've touched a nerve. All the best 😊

Woolie
similarly the third is Australian written (who are also right wing). I'm talking about the sources these opinion pieces originated from

Now, let's make this simple. I know you've heard of the Sun. Have you heard of The Times? It's a long running, well respected UK broadsheet, which is fairly neutral politically. The third article was from The Times, a UK broadsheet. Often, newspapers and TV companies, use journalists from other countries. Lagan, who wrote the Times article has also written for the Guardian (also a UK newspaper, and a left leaning one, if you didn't know that).

I can't decide if you are just being disingenuous, or...

OP I think labour voters are more likely to be either in receipt of benefits or working in the public sector and thus reliant on the government.

Do you have any actual evidence of this, or you just 'think'. Do you mean people who receive 'in work' benefits' the unemployed, the disabled, pensioners, or what? That's quite an assertion you've made.

The Times is owned by Murdoch.

Woolie I skimmed them for viable evidence and found none. But I do appreciate you sending them as I did want to read more on ur, so thankyou. Itvis not always viable or best to have two way information in security particularly when the US at the moment has a worrying leader with dubious ties. Like I said agree to disagree

You have just proved that you know the square root of f all about defence and intelligence, and that you have no notion whatsoever of what keeps us safe (and it isn't the Labour party). I think the Labour party has a worrying leader with dubious ties, which is why I will be voting Tory.

@scaryteacher no offence but the times is not well respected anymore. I didn't want to keep bashing what you read so I didn't say it. But it's not somewhere I would get news from. It is also classed as right wing. But like I said, we disagree on where we source information.

I am sure i have seen this rhetorical device employed in other posts:

"I was undecided about X and Z, but after your post supporting Z I will certainly do X" Says the person who in reality has supported X all along - it is a rhetorical device. No more, no less.

We shall see the truth on December 12 - I must confess, sadly, that I do not believe Labour will win, as much as I would like, because Conservativism appeals to people's fears and distrusts - in the words of William Gladstone: "Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.” People are scared of real change.

Ghost I don't care who it is owned by. I find conformation in The Times of stuff I have read in both the DT and the Guardian, so it's neutral.

A newspaper owned by Murdoch is not politically neutral.

@scaryteacher I've studied foreign policy so you're right, I don't know much, but I know a little more than some and therefore respectfully disagree with your choice and reasons.

no offence but the times is not well respected anymore. I didn't want to keep bashing what you read so I didn't say it. But it's not somewhere I would get news from

A ringing endorsement for The Times, I'd say.

Newspapers are not neutral!

Woolie, I'm really enjoying your posts. They are so informative - thank you. One of the latest:

sorry I only asked for a link because I couldn't find it mysekf so was asking for help. I could only find articles from the sun, but I thought most people agreed nowadays they aren't worth reading.

Followed by:

as far as I'm aware I haven't thrown insults at anyone

Keep up the good work and before you know it, more floating voters will reach a decision about how they should vote.

On a serious note, Conservatives are the nearest fit for me politically so my mind is made up but I do have genuine sympathy for those who are pro-Union pro-Remain in Scotland and Wales. Where are the parties that speak for them? I also have genuine sympathy for those who I would describe as decent Labour but who cannot abide Jezbollah. Honest government depends on (1) a credible government-in-waiting on the Opposition benches and (2) a free press. Corbyn manifestly failed all of us - whatever our political persuasion - on the first.