To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

EffervescentElephant and again, how do you suggest they will assimilate them into the state sector if not by buying the buildings forcibly? Their manifesto, although I admit they frit from their original posturing about closing them all, clealry states they are looking into ways of assimilation into the state sector. You cannot do that without buying the property,.presumably at a 'state rate' then maintaining the buildings, unless they propose selling the buldings off to the highest bidder which means they've just closed some schools.

I'm certainly aware that the private school 'integration' did not make it into the manifesto, I was responding to another post.

It does accurately reflect Corbyn's ambitions, though, doesn't it?

As a Conservative voter, who has conservative values, I would never dream of even opening a 'Labour voters' thread, much less repeatedly commenting to say why they are all "wrong!"

I am old enough to remember living under the Labour Government in the late 90s. There was another climate, another hope. It was almost a different country.

Do you remember living under a Labour government in the 1970s?

Terrified at the thought of those days returning. And much more likely than any similarity to the Blair days.

If Jeremy Hunt had won the leadership, or Rory Stewart, I’d be voting Tory.

But Boris Johnson is a misogynist who wouldn’t know the truth if it hung him upside down and beat him. And I just can’t be party to putting him in power.

Woolie Defence and Intelligence are interlinked. We get a lot of the intelligence that keeps us safe from the Five Eyes. If Corbyn gets in, other allies involved in the Five Eyes have threatened our access to this network.

Defence is the primary purpose of govt imo. Without security, how can we propser? It's like having the best insurance policy.

Whereas the Tories will sell off our public property, land and assets to private individuals who have personal profit as their main objective. The trouble with this is that a few get ridiculously wealthy but it doesn't trickle down to the rest.

Which building are we taking about? The policy is to "bring rail, mail, water and energy into public ownership" (p.7, source: labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf)

Regarding the nationalisation, and the focus on changing the perception of the government from a bureaucratic machine that stands in the way of innovation, to government being the lead risk taker in terms of investing in innovations, I refer again to Mazzucato's writings that clearly explain, and evidence this.

marianamazzucato.com/entrepreneurial-state/

If Corbyn gets in, other allies involved in the Five Eyes have threatened our access to this network.

I though we were losing access anyway in a hard Brexit?

Scared of a return to the 70s but not scared of the party that gave us boom and bust, miners strikes, poll tax, privatisation, 3.5 million on the dole, austerity, brexit, curtailment of unions, rise in food banks, rise in zero hour contracts. Okay, then.

@GlitchStitch males into single sex spaces, are you talking about trans people? Because I support trans rights.

It's not a binary choice of UK versus US. There are dozens of other developed countries with far better health systems than either UK or US. It's just lazy to assume the alternative is the US system.

Yes. I was responding really to a post early in the thread (which I should have quoted and which acknowledged that there are alternatives) stating that the US system is superior in terms of what it offers. I wanted to highlight the fact that this is demonstrably untrue. Certainly not suggesting that all Tory voters want a US system, or anything like that - although I do think there are ideologues and profiteers who would love to lead us in that direction.

I cannot believe that I live in a country where so many are afraid to share their beliefs or are whispering in corners. It's a slippery slope and I really, really don't like the direction it is heading

It is because freedom of speech and critical thinking are under sustained attack from a totalitarian faction which dominates social media. It is absolutely incredible that people are frightened of giving their political opinions because of the level of abuse directed at anyone who dissents from the orthodoxy on Brexit etc. Many of these fanatics are so politically illiterate they don’t even understand the core philosophical beliefs that define left and Conservative. They have hijacked this thread because they think they have some divine right to dictate the narrative. The thought of them in Downing Street, in control of the Treasury and economy? Truly chilling

tenredthings
Could you link to the bit of Conservative manifesto that says they are planning to sell off public assets.

... and a more European system is something I think a lot of Labour and Tory voters alike would probably get behind, actually.

I remain politically homeless. While I’d never spoil my ballot paper I have to say the temptation to write “none of the above” is almost overwhelming.

I LOATHE with every fibre of my being the current Conservative party which is horrifyingly right wing.

I can’t support the Labour Party either.

Magic money trees are being shaken...nobody can deliver what they are promising without raising taxes.

And yes Boris has indeed WRITTEN some horrific stuff...it’s in fucking PRINT. Go and look!
He has also said horrific stuff in the past. It’s just another reason I won’t vote Tory until they move to a more central position. ...and dump the buffoon into the ditch he promised to die in. ...oh I wish!

Corbyn meanwhile is far too left wing and promising unicorns and sparkles all the way...a bit like Boris did with Brexit.

More fool ANYONE believing either of them.

Sadly my only hope locally is to vote Labour....it’s a safe Tory seat with a good MP. My hope is that his majority will massively reduce...enough to send a clear message to the Govt that people are pissed off.

If you LOVE the Tories....good for you...you’re obviously doing well.
If you think Corbyn is the panacea for solving everything you’re living in cloud cuckoo land along with the Tory loving voters.

Fact is neither of them deserve the chance to form a Government at this time.

I am not sure where I stand but I do believe the people who constantly refer to Labour as 'terrifying' have just swallowed a right wing media narrative hook, line and sinker.

Is the thought of the Tories running the NHS into the ground not equally as terrifying? I think it is.

The irony, it burns!

@EffervescentElephant I am old enough to remember too! Under labour my family weren't homeless and going to food banks, which if we were living now we would definitely be. I managed to get a degree because of labour's help with poor people. I couldn't do that now in the same position. My life us better than it would have been because of Labour, people like me weren't meant to get degrees before. But since tories got in 9 years ago its gone slowly downhill.

I'm late twenties and firm right-wing with some middling ideas. I think socialism is a ridiculous notion and simply doesn't work!
Corbyn's terrorism sympathies, anti semitism and support of the erosion of women's rights is horrific. Trans rights are eroding women's rights and I think Corbyn would enable this.

Also, NHS will NEVER be privatised as it's political suicide. It was never meant to support the volume of people with the volume of health complaints that we have here in the U.K.

Lib Dem's are a joke and Greens aren't even on my radar.

OP Would you like to clarify this comment:

I suppose because Labour voters are more likely to be reliant on the government.

males into single sex spaces, are you talking about trans people? Because I support trans rights.

Self ID. And it's possible to support trans rights without believing that includes an automatic right to enter single sex spaces. It's turned a lot of women away from labour, the casualness with which they will throw away rights that women have fought for. At least Liz Truss stated in parliament that she wasn't going to rush through any legislation without considering the impact on women when asked about it by Dawn Butler. Butler's response was to shake her head dramatically. About the rights of women. So no thanks. And that's before the million other reasons not to vote for Corbyn's labour.

I cannot believe that I live in a country where so many are afraid to share their beliefs or are whispering in corners. It's a slippery slope and I really, really don't like the direction it is heading

Correct me if I’m wrong but you are talking about the UK, right? Where the party you say people are afraid to talk about supporting is in government and has been for over nine years? Where the Mail, Times,Telegraph, Sun, Express all lean right - sometimes extremely so (have you read the Torygraph lately??!). Where Nigel Farage gets shitloads of airtime?

I don’t think you need to worry too much!

@TheYear
As a Conservative voter, who has conservative values, I would never dream of even opening a 'Labour voters' thread, much less repeatedly commenting to say why they are all "wrong!”

Precisely. It’s so crass

Woolie: "males into single sex spaces, are you talking about trans people? Because I support trans rights."

We all support humans rights for all people. You're not special for that.

But are you saying you support extra rights for (overwhelmingly) male born people to access female single sex spaces, despite the fact these spaces are provided for as part of the Equality Act? And that "woman" is just a special feeling in your head that anyone can have, immaterial of biological facts? (and immaterial of the fact most female women don't have this special feeling anyway, we just "are")

Because that's what JC and Butler at al support. Its an inherently anti-women, misogynistic position.

Dawn Butler
www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2019/oct/29/99-per-cent-giraffes-gay-loving-looks-misunderstood
This woman sits beside JC nodding at PMQs on the Labour front bench. She thinks that giraffes are gay. She doesn't even have basic knowledge of animal behaviour.