To feel worried about the future? (Election related)

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I’m incredibly sick of the society we’re living in. It’s bleak and horrible. When you hear about the millions of children in poverty and over 130000 people who have died as a result of austerity it makes me so sad.

My dh and I are working 4 jobs between us just to be able to save up for a house, whereas my elder siblings managed to buy in the 90’s when everything was cheaper with tiny deposits. No matter how we save, house prices keep rising and our “25%” deposit figure keeps getting bigger.

I feel deflated and feel like there’s no hope. Liars and cheats are the winners in this world. Hard working people get nothing. I’m probably feeling over emotional but the thought of another 5 years of tories fills me with terror.

YANBU

Not a big Corbyn fan. But the hysteria around Labour spending is ridiculous. What they are proposing is significantly less than Scandinavian countries spend - and France & Germany. We've just been brainwashed into thinking austerity, child poverty and skeleton public services are ok. Do wealthier people really object to paying a bit more in tax to address these issues? I certainly don't.

There are still 2.5 weeks to go. Johnson is truly awful in every sense - terrible orator, no grasp of detail, morally bankrupt, utterly unstatesmanlike and to boot the ultimate feckless father. If a scenario came on here featuring his many betrayals he'd get a straight LTB across the board. I wouldn't trust him to run a bloody bath, let alone a country. He'll get found out eventually, we can but hope in the next 3 weeks.

The Labour manifesto is exciting. What a shame people are more scared of corbyn than Boris. Boris is the worst PM ever. Expect a fiasco like the Trump administration.

Not one party supports The Equality Act, we are heading for very dark times, especially for women.

He'll get found out eventually

I have been saying that about Johnson for years. I genuinely thought there were so many skeletons in his cupboards and so many red flags about his character and integrity that he would never become Tory leader or PM. So much for that theory.....

He real does lead a charmed life. Behaviour that would prevent anyone else becoming PM seems to be acceptable where Johnson is concerned. He is incredibly lucky to have the entirely useless Corbyn as an opponent. Anyone competent would wipe the floor with him.

Norway has a sovereign wealth fund. We don’t. We have to borrow. The Labour coatings have been criticised by the iFFS. They are better placed to judge. The taxes proposed won’t pay for these policies that are too generous. Increasing tax beyond a certain level decreases tax take.

We bought a house in the late 1970s. 25% interest rate for £15,000 and 18% interest rate on a “top up” of £3000. You try paying that back from wages these days.

There is a need not to have no deposits for homes and 100% mortgages. Surely this had to be a lesson from the financial crash. It’s vital this doesn’t happen again.

Who are the liars and the cheats who prosper? Do you mean well paid people with qualifications who have great careers or do you mean 635 politicians? If you don’t have the former paying tax and providing the services we need, society falls apart.

I don’t want the Conservatives or Labour. Tony Blair has a better sense of what was reasonable. I’m not happy about the future but the only way to do well is to study and get qualifications. Then you don’t need two jobs each. A teachers wage x 2 is good enough for a mortgage. It provides enough for saving. It’s enough to buy a house in many areas of the country. People with lower paid jobs always struggled to buy houses and save. House prices are going down, by and large, not up. Brexit might push them down further.

15% interest rate. Sorry! TYpo.

Oh another “Bash the Tories” anyone who votes for them wants to kill off the NHS and disabled people thread. How unusual!

I love playing bingo on these anti Tory threads.

Killed hundreds - check
Selling NHS off to the US - check
Terrible for the poor and disabled - check
Thousands in poverty - check
No deal Brexit - check
Tories are disgusting - check

Bingo!

Silvery
Killed hundreds - evidence?
Selling NHS - Again evidence? Scaremongering or what!!
Poor and disabled - under Labour I fought tooth and nail for my dad to receive correct benefits for being terminally ill. To date my dsis dneph dsd and her mum get very good disability payments.
Poverty - This will always be an issue no matter who is in charge.
Brexit - The country voiced their decision end of.
Tories - Your personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs.
I am not all for Tories however I stand against Corbyn and Labour. Our local Labour candidates are nothing but bullies and abuse their positions. I have a lot to read up on everyone else prior to the election and to make my decision.

Killed hundreds report by medical professionals

The country voiced their decision end of

There’s more than on version of leave 🤷🏻‍♀️

The referendum was interfered in by a foreign government

The margin was so small it remains divisive.

This will always be an issue no matter who is in charge

Not sure where to begin. So you think it’s acceptable to have increasing numbers of children in scummy hostels?

under Labour I fought tooth and nail for my dad to receive correct benefits for being terminally ill. To date my dsis dneph dsd and her mum get very good disability payments

And? They’re a handful out of millions who don’t. Open your eyes and widen your horizons

I think the casual dismissal of austerity, foodbanks and universal credits tells you all you need to know about the mindset of some voters.

I love playing bingo on these anti Tory threads.

You are sickening

Killed hundreds - check
120,000 directly related to health and social care cuts
bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

Selling NHS off to the US - check
www.channel4.com/press/news/trumps-plan-nhs-channel-4-dispatches

Terrible for the poor and disabled - check
Where to even start?

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/23/send-special-educational-needs-children-excluded-from-schools

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/02/13/2017-the-year-the-full-effects-of-austerity-are-felt

www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-may-budget.html

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/01/extended-benefit-cap-hit-116000-families-housing-experts

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/16/bedroom-tax-burden-disabled-people

Thousands in poverty - check
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/04/uk-government-warned-over-sharp-rise-children-pensioner-poverty-study

No deal Brexit - check
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48511379

Tories are disgusting - check

I think all of the above is evidence of that but I have more if you care?

@BubblesBuddy thanks for that. Thanks for your smug little advice about qualifying and studying. I went to university. I work for the NHS and my second job I work for a university. I’m not uneducated and neither is my dh. We’ve been swept up in the shit where we’ve had no help from the government (shit wages) or rich family members when it comes to getting on the property ladder. We live in a city where it’s impossible to get a house in a decent place where we’re working but we’re tied to family, school and work. People who have bought houses where I live are either already on the housing ladder having bought early or have had help in the form of deposits or childcare whilst they worked without worry. My wages should be enough to save, but they’re not. That’s NOT because I’m uneducated.

How fucking dare you tell me that I should be qualified. There are unqualified people who buy houses too but in areas where house prices aren’t as high.

This is depressing, tories playing bingo with facts about child poverty and austerity deaths. Fucking hell.

Almost forgot this one - 55% of homeless families are working families. 800k households now in temporary accommodation

england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/1545412/2018_07_19_Working_Homelessness_Briefing.pdf

I don't think either choice is great. Free broadband? Happy to pay for it and for people who cannot afford it to get subsidised. Free dental care? If there were enough NHS patient places more than happy to pay and the money to be spent elsewhere. Labour are too hard left, I am happy to pay for things if it genuinely supports others who need it; we don't all need things for free when that money can be invested elsewhere. I'm worried about what will happen to women's rights, and if they will actually do anything to fix the NHS other than throw money at it, which won't work. The Tories are the Tories, probably don't need to say anything there.

We've just been brainwashed into thinking austerity, child poverty and skeleton public services are ok. Do wealthier people really object to paying a bit more in tax to address these issues? I certainly don't.

This. This is exactly true. People think it’s okay to live like this. How did we get to here? It’s like Victorian times all over again. We have a rising county lines problem, with children being used by “Fagins” to sell drugs. I’ve never seen this many homeless people on the streets. There’s no hope. There’s nothing to look forward to and say, this is our country, look how we look after our people. It’s sick.

This is depressing, tories playing bingo with facts about child poverty and austerity deaths. Fucking hell

Because it’s easier to do that and force others find facts than do some research themselves. A tiny bit of them is probably scared that they may find out that actually, the Tories are scum and indefensible.

At the end of the day, we have a Prime Minister who ran in circles who thought it was funny to burn £50 notes as a student in front of homeless people. Disgusting. Given that the Prime Minister is middle aged, at the time he and his chums did this, £50 was worth a lot more than today. Makes it even more disgusting.

I could never vote for a party who denied my existence and made it illegal for us to exist or be treated with basic respect in school.

Our prime minister is openly racist and sexist, how anyone who opposes racism or sexism can vote for the tories is beyond me.

At the end of the day, we have a Prime Minister who ran in circles who thought it was funny to burn £50 notes as a student in front of homeless people. Disgusting.

What an odious little shit. Let’s not forget the “roughing up” of a journalist for his rich friend. Just a cracked rib and black eyes to scare him. You don’t even need to look hard to find evidence though do you? He’s a dangerous man.

I've had first hand experience of appalling Tory cuts this weekend. My mother has advanced cancer and was blue lighted to hospital late on Saturday afternoon as she was beginning to get sepsis. Very very poorly. We left her at 9pm curled up in a foetal position on oxygen and drips. We then received a phone call at 11pm asking us to come and collect her. They were discharging her as they needed the bed. I despair of anyone who could vote Conservative. Praying Jeremy Corbyn gets in. We must stand up for the NHS.

I fear you're wasting your time with those links Deathgrip.
The ones who should be reading them won't bother, and if they do, will dismiss them as anti Tory lies.

Harry