To feel worried about the future? (Election related)

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I’m incredibly sick of the society we’re living in. It’s bleak and horrible. When you hear about the millions of children in poverty and over 130000 people who have died as a result of austerity it makes me so sad.

My dh and I are working 4 jobs between us just to be able to save up for a house, whereas my elder siblings managed to buy in the 90’s when everything was cheaper with tiny deposits. No matter how we save, house prices keep rising and our “25%” deposit figure keeps getting bigger.

I feel deflated and feel like there’s no hope. Liars and cheats are the winners in this world. Hard working people get nothing. I’m probably feeling over emotional but the thought of another 5 years of tories fills me with terror.

The Guardian spreading fake news, distorting facts, and painting a picture to fit their agenda

A bit like UNICEF?
www.unicef.org.uk/publications/ipsos-mori-child-well-being/

The comparisons to Nordic countries are not valid. They have small, homogeneous populations of highly skilled, highly educated people with larger tax bases

How can they have smaller populations and larger tax bases? Who empties bins, sweeps roads, works in care homes, cleans offices?

The truth is, both sides want the same thing, but have very different ideas about how to get there. Both sides are so sure that the other is wrong, which leads to the hostility we see today

Both sides don’t want the same thing and it’s either naive or disingenuous to say something like that. The moment I see hyperbole I know the argument will be fallacious and this post is full of it.

A bit like UNICEF?
www.unicef.org.uk/publications/ipsos-mori-child-well-being/

???

That's a study from 2007, after 10 years of Labour governments.

Anyway, I did not say there is no poverty in the UK.

And I don't blame "the government" for everything. The parents are mostly to blame, regardless of which party is in power at any given time.

How can they have smaller populations and larger tax bases? Who empties bins, sweeps roads, works in care homes, cleans offices?

.. larger as a percentage.

I don't understand the second question.

Both sides don’t want the same thing and it’s either naive or disingenuous to say something like that. The moment I see hyperbole I know the argument will be fallacious and this post is full of it.

I'd say both sides, historically, have wanted to find a system where people can work and live decent lives.

I'd agree that Corbyn/everyone else do not want the same thing. He wants to punish the rich. He wants the state to take complete control of people's lives in order to create his idealistic view of "equality". But anyone with a bit of sense can see where that road leads to. What's the old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

You don’t understand why I’d ask who does these jobs in a population which is universally highly skilled and educated?

Parents are to blame for unemployment, homelessness, foodbank use, ill health, disability - all the things that play into poverty? Are you actually saying people choose to be poor? Seriously?

You don’t understand why I’d ask who does these jobs in a population which is universally highly skilled and educated?

Please use your brain a bit more. And stop trying to straw man me. I did not say "universally".

Parents are to blame for unemployment, homelessness, foodbank use, ill health, disability - all the things that play into poverty? Are you actually saying people choose to be poor? Seriously?

If you want the hard truth, there is always going to be a bottom % of people who struggle. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing. That's just how it is. The difficult part is how to deal with it. Again, look to the US if you think throwing money at the problem is a good idea. I can save you some time though, it's not.

People always love to start the story halfway through. Yes, actually, I'd say bad parenting/neglect has a lot to do with unemployment, homelessness, and mental health issues. That's pretty obvious, tbh.

People do not choose to be poor, but their choices often lead them to poverty. Another hard truth that I doubt you will accept.

I think people with disabilities could be better looked after.

I don't even like the Tories. Believing that Corbyn is the answer is absolutely bat shit insane.

No, I imagine the Tories are a bit too bleeding heart liberal for you.

He does not want to punish the rich. He wants to tax the people who are sitting on wealth. If you earn over 82K and you can’t afford or don’t want to give £8 a week extra tax to make your society better, then capitalism has created monsters. And you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Ten years of Tory austerity and now the magic money tree is chucking out money like no tomorrow.
50,000 more nurses. Well 31,000 in ten years, really.

Twitter account changed - well not really, it wasn't a lie...Twitter not really my thing.
Telford A and E saved - well no not really, the Tories will close it, Alexander made a mistake.
How many children does Alexander have? He's not saying.

Vote Tory, just don't get ill, don't get old, don't have a child in state education and certainly don't have a child with special needs.

No, I imagine the Tories are a bit too bleeding heart liberal for you.

Not an argument.

He does not want to punish the rich. He wants to tax the people who are sitting on wealth. If you earn over 82K and you can’t afford or don’t want to give £8 a week extra tax to make your society better, then capitalism has created monsters. And you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Learn to read between the lines and use a bit of foresight.

You are too focused on the income tax soundbites. I explained in my first post how his policies will affect "average" people (for the worse). If you want to keep buying your head in the sand, go ahead.

Capitalism hasn't created anything except a higher standard of living for literally billions of people. We are living in the most prosperous and comfortable time in human history.

Welcome to Mumsnet @areyouawarem8

over 130000 people who have died as a result of austerity

For a start, I’d treat claims like that with caution.

No matter how we save, house prices keep rising

True, the Tories aren’t particularly interested in changing this. Then again, almost nobody is.

I'll be voting Labour, the infrastructure investments will really boost the economy and decent job creation and not even mildy radical compared to our Nordic cousins. It gives me hope for the future. This thread does not.

BTW I say this as a 37 year old with a masters degree, comfortably waged software development career and nearly paid off mortgage, before anyone accuses me of politics of envy. Why anyone would vote for that racist, misogynistic clown Johnson and the devastating policies of the last 10 years that have split this country in two beggars belief.

@areyouawarem8, it wasn’t intended to be an argument, it’s an opinion.

As for We are living in the most prosperous and comfortable time in human history - define we, because millions of people are living in extreme hardship.

"Define we" :the people of the U.K. Not individuals. There will always be individuals who fall outside of the system.

In general (with relatively few exceptions compared to other points in history) people are educated, fed, cared for both socially and health wise, and housed.

In general (with relatively few exceptions compared to other points in history) people are educated, fed, cared for both socially and health wise, and housed

Sadly this just isn’t true. Schools reduced to four day weeks, massive increase in homelessness and foodbank use, massive waiting lists for surgery and bursting A&E departments, housing shortage, insufficient SN provision, crisis in social care - the list is endless.

How bizzare, what was cheaper! Everything has grown in price due to inflation?

Infact mortgage rates are incredibly low right now.
Labour had failed on its promise to end child poverty, it was endless under Blair.

Racist, misogynistic clown... I thought that sentence was going to end with '' corybn ''

Labour will plunge us all into poverty. All of us bar the billionaires.

"Labour will plunge us into poverty" hate to inform you Jack that a considerable amount of people are already plunged into poverty. We need Labour to undo the mess of the last 9 years, our infrastructure and most vulnerable cannot sustain another Tory assault.

I don’t think we have ever had it so good in terms of quality of life, health and education. Life prospects are unimaginable compared with not so long ago. We are living the good life compared with most of the world yet we cling to hysterical panic and moaning. (Runs off and hides)

I don’t think we have ever had it so good in terms of quality of life, health and education. Life prospects are unimaginable compared with not so long ago. We are living the good life compared with most of the world yet we cling to hysterical panic and moaning. (Runs off and hides)

This is a joke, right?

Yes, you may well run off and hide @Muminabun. It’s the worst I’ve seen in my 66 years on this earth.

It is terrible. Ever since both major parties messed up the rules for choosing the leader, handing the decision to a tiny number of unrepresentative activists and members instead of MPs, it’s all gone to pot.

And the rules on party funding - don’t get me started. See here, for example:
www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-the-elite-dining-club-behind-130m-donations-to-the-tories/

@Muminabun life expectancy is falling. That denstrates that such a large proportion of society are dying early, it is dragging down the average. I'm certain none of them feel like they have it so good!

This is a joke, right?

Why would it be a joke? She is completely correct.

Your entire focus is on the bottom of society and how bad life is for them, while ignoring that the majority of people are living a life which would have been unfathomable just 100 years ago.

I'm not saying things are perfect, or that those at the bottom should be ignored, but the idea that because they are struggling, we need to run into the open arms of a Marxist, is quite honestly ridiculous. We should be asking you if you're joking.

Yes, certain numbers have gotten worse. Spending cuts were necessary. Again, this is real life, not a Corbyn fairy tale. Someone claimed the cuts haven't worked as the debt is still spiraling. Exactly, and it would have been even worse. The government doesn't do anything very well.

The problem is, you create a fantasy of how the world could be, not how it is. Then you compare reality to that fantasy. It's never going to look good.

Yes, you may well run off and hide @Muminabun. It’s the worst I’ve seen in my 66 years on this earth.

What an absurd statement. Are you seriously trying to claim that life is objectively worse for the poorest groups today than it was in the 50s/60s/70s/80s/90s?

Conservative proposals to curb judicial review of executive over-reach are also a f**king disgrace. Vile rabble rousers with posh accents the lot of them. Heirs to Oswald Mosley.

Your entire focus is on the bottom of society and how bad life is for them, while ignoring that the majority of people are living a life which would have been unfathomable just 100 years ago.

Oh that’s okay then - fuck the poor, fuck the disabled like my children, fuck the 120,000 people who’ve died including my mother, as long as the rest of us are okay.

The bottom of society? 34% of U.K. children living in poverty is not the bottom of society.

Yes, certain numbers have gotten worse. Spending cuts were necessary. Again, this is real life, not a Corbyn fairy tale. Someone claimed the cuts haven't worked as the debt is still spiraling. Exactly, and it would have been even worse. The government doesn't do anything very well.

You’ve really swallowed the party line. None of this is true.