To feel worried about the future? (Election related)

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I’m incredibly sick of the society we’re living in. It’s bleak and horrible. When you hear about the millions of children in poverty and over 130000 people who have died as a result of austerity it makes me so sad.

My dh and I are working 4 jobs between us just to be able to save up for a house, whereas my elder siblings managed to buy in the 90’s when everything was cheaper with tiny deposits. No matter how we save, house prices keep rising and our “25%” deposit figure keeps getting bigger.

I feel deflated and feel like there’s no hope. Liars and cheats are the winners in this world. Hard working people get nothing. I’m probably feeling over emotional but the thought of another 5 years of tories fills me with terror.

We live in an affluent area and moving is out of the question; I have work and children at school.

i.e, you're living above your means. You are not entitled to live in any area you want. You can afford to buy a house, just not in the area you would like.

Constantly claiming that this thread/life is depressing isn't going to help. And no government is going significantly drive house prices down in affluent areas.

House prices were lower when less people were trying to buy them. Shocking, I know. Another problem that would inevitably get worse under Corbyn.

Would it be so bad for people on a certain level of income to have to have health insurance?

What would be your level of income to cut this off at @Flippetydip - just out of interest? Would it depend on where you live? Whether you have a mortgage? How many children you have? Your age?

What about those that don't have to work and therefore have no income?

Frankly it's a terrible idea

@Abc123def I get the difficulty in saving up, really I do. I had to work 3 jobs to save a deposit and was only not working when I was sleeping. I have no family though. If your siblings are millionaires 15/20K would be pocket change to them. Can you not sit down and have a very honest heart to heart with them and say you need help.

Why can there not be a cross-party committee to look at the future of the NHS with some degree of impartiality without the mass hysteria that this creates like we're talking about killing off a failing family member? Would it be so bad for people on a certain level of income to have to have health insurance?

I completely agree with this, with the possible exception of the last sentence. Unpopular though it would be, I’d like to see a comprehensive review of what the NHS provides. There are some areas I’d cut completely and instantly and others that would bear close examination.

I don’t want to lose universal healthcare, free at the point of delivery though. That’s an ethos worth keeping.

@loobyloo1234 - I don't know what the cut-off would be, that would be for the cross-party committee to decide. As for those not working, then of course, the NHS would be as it always has been - free.

Why is it a terrible idea? Why can the NHS future not be discussed without such emotion? I think that the NHS should stop being a political football - it should be completely separate from politics.

Dince it began the NHS has always rationed care. My uncle qualified as a doctor before it was formed and then worked for it from foundation as did my father once he qualified in the 1950. In those days much less was provided and doctors did pragmatic rationing based on common sense which would have varied from doctor to doctor. Elements of it remained rationed to this day but it is the best system we can come up with.

I certainly don't mind if we scale back some of the things it provides however butl ike most conservatives and teh current Govenrment and like Labour support it being free at the point of delivery (albeit extremely expensive to fudn for those of us who pay masses of income tax and other taxes. (I have seen my GP once in 12 years and luckily never seem to get ill and never in a month of Sundays will I have take out more than I have put in but even so I support it)

"when it is frankly no longer fit for purpose?"
I disagree, we've had a top of the range service from the nhs, couldnt complain at all, followed up by fantastic community care. Why do you think it's not fit for purpose?

I go through periods of thinking "what sort of society are we living in, and tories are going to make this even worse", and sometimes I feel optimistic that eventually on polling day enough decent people will boot them out.

Today is an optimistic day.

Why do you think it's not fit for purpose?

Because your experience is as rare as rocking horse shit. I’m a massive supporter of the NHS, I worked in it for 20 years and watched its decline with horror. The older you get, the more horrific it becomes.

Someone I know has cancer. She needs chemo, followed by extensive surgery and has been told she faces a six week wait to even see the consultant. As a result she’s weighing up paying for the chemo. That’s not fit for purpose.

Please please don’t vote Tory. I’m a professional, top 5% and I would never vote Tory. I would rather pay slightly more tax and have a fairer system with better public services.
Please don’t let Boris and his right wing cabinet get their hands on a 5 year term. It could be so damaging to our worker’s rights, environmental protections, welfare and care system, food legislation, research funding, and the nhs. Imagine how many more could be homeless. What if you ever fall on hard times?

I’m an NHS doctor.

I would never vote Tory. Never.

Constantly claiming that this thread/life is depressing isn't going to help. And no government is going significantly drive house prices down in affluent areas

So.... do you think only rich people should live in affluent areas?

I’m not going to bother to ask about where you think those on lower wages should live.

"Someone I know has cancer. She needs chemo, followed by extensive surgery and has been told she faces a six week wait to even see the consultant"
Surely she must have already seen a consultant to be told she has cancer and what her treatment plan is? Do you mean she has to wait 6 weeks to get the chemo?
Our experience isn't as rare as rocking horse shit...my family member was in hospital for 7 weeks and we got to know loads of people in that time on the wards, also pleased with their treatment.
I also had a cancer scare not long ago, I was in for investigations within days. I dont doubt there are some horror stories, but saying it is "not fit for purpose" is taking it a bit far.

*So.... do you think only rich people should live in affluent areas?

I’m not going to bother to ask about where you think those on lower wages should live.*

what

People live where they can afford to live.

Why would anyone feel like they deserve to live in a place that they cannot afford?

I am also terrified at the prospect of another 5 years of Tory rule.
Hoping that Labour will get in this time but doubtful due to MSM spin 😞

Why would anyone feel like they deserve to live in a place that they cannot afford?

Maybe people want to live near work, near decent schools?

Why should that be the preserve of the rich, especially when house prices are not a measure of effort/achievement.

*Maybe people want to live near work, near decent schools?

Why should that be the preserve of the rich, especially when house prices are not a measure of effort/achievement.*

I want to win the lottery.

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Wanting something is irrelevant. People live in the nicest area they can afford.

Complaining that you can't afford to buy a house in an affluent area is just strange. Make more money or buy in a cheaper area? They are literally the only options you have.

Complaining that you can't afford to buy a house in an affluent area is just strange. Make more money or buy in a cheaper area? They are literally the only options you have

Ah if only life were that simple.

I personally think social mobility is important as is the right to an affordable home.

I don’t want a country with ghettos of rich and poor.

The current economy doesn’t work for most people - and unaffordable housing alongside insufficient wages is a big part of that.

We can’t all have high paying jobs - use your logic and follow that through in your head.

HelloForNow, if I won the lottery I'd pay millions to see your post on billboards right across this country.
I was slated on another thread, cos I hate the tories, told I was virtue signalling (stupid stupid phrase) etc etc

Why do people support him? Especially people like me working class, low wages, relying on the state for most things. Working all hours and scraping by. Why on earth do they think Boris and his far right government care about them and their needs and rights?
It's utterly beyond me.

I completely get where you're coming from. What keeps me going is the knowledge of the other people who share my values.

@TabbyMumz, she’s seen a registrar, she needs to see a consultant for the treatment plan to be endorsed. Imagine knowing you’ve got a stage three cancer and being told there’s a six week wait before your treatment is even signed off - with Christmas in the middle.

Just because your experience was OK it doesn’t mean it is everywhere. Ever heard of the postcode lottery? It’s people denying there’s a problem that will stop it being fixed.

The HelloFor Now post is not really accurate so not a great one to put on billboards.

1. BJ i s very middle of the road - whichever party is fairly high spend like that whether Blair or BJ they tend to get elected. I wish he were small stae and low tax but sadly that is not so.

1. The Tories support the NHS.

3., read the draft withdrawal agreement the Eu has offered us and the Tories will approve - it protects all those elements including workers' rights. Don't let Labour propaganda affect you - always read all the direct evidence.

1. Labour will crash the economy and be unable to pay for vital pubilc services and thus jeopardise the NHS.

@Xenia, why don’t you just stop. The Tories don’t support the NHS.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-jeremy-corbyn-reveals-451-20970436

On the contrary, it looks like Jeremy is talking shit once again:

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If anything, it's remarkable how little the NHS itself comes up in these talks. Indeed, the American negotiators are reported as being "sensitive to the particular sensitivities with the health sector in the UK". That actually sounds more restrained than I'd have expected.

Perhaps Corbyn’s trying to distract from his disastrous interview with Andrew Neil, in which he imploded on Labour antisemitism and admitted he had no way to fund his colossal Waspi bribe...