To be raging Grace Millane’s Murderer’s name is suppressed

[MabelMoo23]

I know his name - it’s not hard to find - but it’s been legally suppressed until at least 2021

Grace has had her private life dragged through the mud, her parents had to hear accounts of her sex life - which let’s face it came from his account and his defence team.

And he gets his identity protected and the reason for it????

I’m not going to name him as I don’t want this post deleted, but apparently there are times in NZ law that identity can be protected because revealing it can affect other outcomes

Beautiful Grace, rest in peace

The Daily Mail took a break from eviscerating Prince Andrew (no complaints there) to name him within the last hour.

No one appeared to tell the Evening Standard. They both named him and released his picture?

Their legal system seems better than the UK at the moment, they have successfully prosecuted and found guilty of murder a man strangling a woman to death during sex. I don't think we've managed that here

Yes, we have, many times over. For instance, Robert Simpson-Scott, Richard Bailey, Michael Roberts.

Mind you, I like the New Zealand concept of reckless intent, i.e. that you would be guilty of murder if you indulge in an act so violent that it puts someone else's life in catastrophic danger. That would be helpful in a wider variety of cases, e.g. people who drive very recklessly.

Yes @Beveren I was glad to see that on the link @DoctorTwo posted (We can't consent to this) that in recent cases the men in question have been found guilty of murder.

I don't really see the benefit of publicly reporting on trials like this anyway. The defence is entitled to plead its case, that's due process. But why does it need to be in the news? What is the public good of this?

Hopefully the more men that are convicted of murder for these killings, it will act as a deterrent to other men and also judges will stop letting perpetrators get away with murder in the name of alcohol / sex game gone wrong defences.

It's so gross that some people - I've seen it several places - are quicker to express commiserations that her parents heard details of her sex life then commiserations over her murder...

She probably had a 50 Shades phase like thousands of other women. It's disgusting that the press has been slobbering over this and printing details like the purpose of the whole thing was to get their pervert readers off. Just ugh.

@emeraldshamrock I've just read about Ana. How awful for her family. I'm appalled that 13 year olds can do such a thing..

Mind you, I like the New Zealand concept of reckless intent, i.e. that you would be guilty of murder if you indulge in an act so violent that it puts someone else's life in catastrophic danger. That would be helpful in a wider variety of cases, e.g. people who drive very recklessly.

I thought we had that already? I recall the case about 15 years ago in Glasgow where a man was found guilty of murder having shot a 2 yo child with an air rifle. It was never the prosecution case that he intended to kill anyone, far less the child he did kill. Nevertheless, he was charged with and convicted of murder.

I don't see how it isn't right that he has been revealed.

Do you know better than the NZ courts handling the case? Presumably they have good reason but fuck them 🙄

Soup I work in the legal system so had thought the reasons in NZ were similar to the ones the U.K. would have....but clearly not as he has now been identified. There is no 'good reason'.

Do we feel better for knowing the name of the murderer?

Well done Daily Mail for naming and shaming this creep.

@EpcotForever It is heartbreaking.
They will walk away still young men to make a new life, with a new identity.

There is also the grounds that it could create a risk to the safety of any person, and that it could cause extreme hardship to any person connected to the defendant for name suppression.

Given how high profile this case has been, and how high feelings have run, I can see those potentially being brought into play.

And he still has not been identified in New Zealand, where the Judge does have jurisdiction. The Daily Mail and other British outlets not respecting the Judge's request does not negate that there may have very well been good reason for the Judge's ruling as it pertained to interim continuing name suppression.

There is also the grounds that it could create a risk to the safety of any person, and that it could cause extreme hardship to any person connected to the defendant for name suppression.

I disagree. Families of killers hardly ever change identities, it’s rare like Venables, Thomson and Maxine Carr, because it’s usually not needed.

Levi Bellfield’s young daughters were on TV on a show my dad the killer or similar. Most people are too sensible to attach innocent family members.

*attack

I expect his name is known in NZ by people who want to know, it's not difficult to visit a UK website. Personally I think he shouldn't have been named, the law is the law.

You can disagree all you like, but those are two grounds that allow name suppression under New Zealand law. And while people are usually sensible, there are sadly the morons who are not. They may not attack family members, but they can harass, persecute and intimidate - and sometimes those family members are extremely vulnerable.

However, it's all supposition as to the grounds upon which the Judge deemed it reasonable to continue name suppression. However, he's the one who has heard all the evidence, knows the law, knows the circumstances surrounding the case, the defendant who has now been found guilty, as well as the family situation of the victim. Personally I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he made a ruling that was reasonable in light of all of the above.

He doesn’t deserve a name like a decent human being, he’s just a piece of shit.
Hopefully it has been withheld due to another case. If only these countries had the balls to bring back hanging for scum like this

YABVU - his name is Temporarily being withheld for very valid reasons to avoid prejudicing other proceedings. Same as in the UK with one of the Baby P killers