to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

[oliwki]

If so, where will you be going?

Jobrien - you have done well and should be congratulated for it.

How did you manage it?

Did you get a good education? Worked hard at school?

My kids di go to a good school and I am grateful for that but schools in my county are very underfunded. They always have been. Our Tory MP promised more money and that they would be longer get less per pupil compared to a large neighbouring city. It's not happened and schools are more underfunded than they have ever been.

Did you go to university? I did. I was lucky to go in a time when there were no tuition fees.

Yes I have worked hard but I also had the tools available to facilitate that.

I am sure my kids will be fine. Me and their dad have worked hard enough and done well enough to help them. We will get them to uni even if it means we are skint.

But we can do it. Not every child has that chance.

You did - why are you so hellbent on depriving others.

Working class Tories will propel Johnson into power. West Essex is full of them. They are greedy, resentful and desperate to pull the ladder up behind them e.g. ‘my dad didn’t fight in the war so immigrants can get free NHS’ - erm, which war (Falkland doesn’t count)? Your dad’s 80...’nobody gave me anything, I had to do it all myself, everybody wants everything handed to them now’ - erm, you had free education, healthcare, job for life, final salary pension and have a BTL...

They still reminisce about Thatcher and identify with the Tories as it’s the proper thing for English patriots to do. However, if they turned up at a posh restaurant and were sat at a table next to BJ and Rees-Mogg, BJ and RM would ask to be moved.

@tellmethetruth
Bang on. This resentment is really killing our country and the infrastructure we were once so proud of
In my experience, often those hard working, working class folk who ‘did it all themselves’ are self employed business owners who climbed over poorly paid and poorly treated employees and ripped off customers in order to make it.

Bye Doris et al, you will not be missed. Although I doubt that many would really leave the UK, no one will want you.

I actually I have a man in one of my houses who will vote for Labour because he wants more benefits which he knows he will get if Labour come to power. He is 25 years old and has 3 children and has never worked and never will because he gets more on benefits than doing a job because I can't get one that pays enough with him having no qualification (he can hardly read or write)

Well he’s wrong. Having three children he is very likely benefit capped and would lift that cap by working and therefore get more. It’s also distinctly unlikely that the job centre will let him get on with not wanting a job or not wanting to improve his skills.

Or you’re just making stuff up.

How old are you? I have a blind lady in one of my houses who I let live there at a reduced rent and when she had difficulty getting benefits I let her pay no rent for months because she has 3 children and the council refused to help her.

I’m in my late 30s. No idea why that’s relevant in any way to what I’ve said. I see you have conveniently ignored the rest of my post, about what the party you’ve joined have done to disabled people including my twins who were born with disabilities and will most likely never have the opportunity to work themselves out of a bad situation.

My mum grew up on a council estate too. She got the a junior role as a bank clerk when she left school at 16. She still managed to put a roof over her children’s heads after my father left when I was a baby. She didn’t need benefits to do so because she could afford rent and then to buy a house. She moved up the property ladder (the family home she bought for £79k in 1990 was worth £400k when she died 25 years later) and eventually owned a rental property too thanks to the equity in the house she’d bought previously.

The difference is that she understood that the social conditions which enabled her to do all this were no longer available to people. She understood that she hadn’t worked any harder than people work now, but she’d seen benefits they’ll never see as a result.

I’m not sure what your little anecdote is supposed to prove? It’s a bit like saying you’re not a racist because you have black friends. That woman should be able to afford to pay her rent. The council should help her. You’ve helped her out by skipping a few months rent but have joined a party who will keep her in poverty and unable to pay her rent.

I vote for making stuff up.
Sound bites and rhetoric.
Feckless single dad vs blind lady and single parent nurse.

I actually I have a man in one of my houses who will vote for Labour because he wants more benefits which he knows he will get if Labour come to power. He is 25 years old and has 3 children and has never worked and never will because he gets more on benefits than doing a job because I can't get one that pays enough with him having no qualification (he can hardly read or write)

And this! Maybe we should be voting for a party who’ll invest in education so that people don’t leave school barely able to read or write and with no qualifications, so they can actually work! You’re actively working to promote a system that makes this more likely - are you just completely unaware of this?

When society is better educated, when unemployment is lower, we all benefit as a society. It’s not that difficult to understand why.

And in answer to the country’s only generous , altruistic and benevolent landlord’s comments about the polls www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/corbyn-johnson-question-time-leaders-17303868?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=
You can find ‘facts’ to fit your views anywhere. Or if you can’t find facts just make it up. Oh. I see you already have.

the majority of this is now between Germany and Denmark. If needs be we would relocate also

In both of those countries, especially Denmark, tax rates are far higher. Are people really this stupid?

kids are turning to sex work to fund their way through uni

This I don’t understand.

Why are people opting for university for 3 years if they cannot afford it.

I know many people, even when uni was free, not go because they couldn’t afford to support themselves for 3 years.

University is not mandatory.

I know people who have gone to work for a year or 2 in order to save enough to put themselves through university.

I do think if you have the money it is very easy to pack up and move even if it is just to France.
I know there is very little keeping me here and the US is an option.

I know their visa restrictions are quite rigorous but i have looked at the options and there are 3 ways we could qualify

In both of those countries, especially Denmark, tax rates are far higher. Are people really this stupid?

Seems it. I have yet to see an answer detailing exactly where people will go that offers similar jobs and quality of life and vastly lower taxes. I mean the amount you’d have to save would be seriously significant to uproot your whole life in Britain.

do think if you have the money it is very easy to pack up and move even if it is just to France

Where the tax rates are higher than the Labour proposals. Where is this low tax Shangri La everyone proposes moving to? It sure as hell isn’t in Europe.

I know of a team of 8 people who moved from London to Switzerland when tax rates were put up to 50%. They said they had been happy to pay 45% but felt the additional 5% was unfair. You can argue the rights and wrongs of their position as long as you want but the effect of this decision was that instead of getting £32m tax from their bonuses the UK got nothing. You can consider this level of income disparity obscene - but £32m buys a lot of public services so making the very rich unwelcome is not necessarily a good strategy.

The USA has pretty comparative rates though? Also the cost of living in many cities is astronomical plus you have to fund your own healthcare. Db is Cali (expensive state with high taxes I know, but pretty much anywhere you’d want to live and work is) on a very good salary but it really doesn’t go that far.

Who knows why students make those choices?
Many of them are kids and have no idea if the implications of living away from home and funding academia as well as maintaining a lifestyle.
Some do it to save their parents a debt.
Some lose family support or don’t have it to start with.
Some have career aspirations which will see them prosperous when they eventually make it.
It ‘seems’ like an easy option.
They’re vulnerable.
Many people with severe mental health issues found that their symptoms really cranked up at uni. It’s a high pressured environment for some and they’re vulnerable to poor decision making.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/students-sex-work-prostitution-webcam-university-tuition-fees-education-a8614186.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/sex-work-students-university-sugar-dating-debt-living-costs-a9166311.html

www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/27/university-students-sex-work-living-costs-tuition-fee-debts

www.savethestudent.org/money/student-money-survey-2018.html

@outherealone we must know some of the same people because yes it is usually the self employed type who made their money in trade who want to pull up the ladder.

This thread is scary.

It's scary that people are so narrow minded on this subject.

The Tories are nothing but a threat to your society. You are living in a bubble if you think they are what's best for your country.

There are millions living here that need help. Real help. But they won't get it because a bunch of elitist bastards will be paying an extra £60 a year in tax.

The rich fucking over the common man as per usual.

I'll be leaving the country if Scotland don't gain independece on the back of this shitshow.

It astounding that so many people are willing to live in a country where they have no political voice whatsoever.

I know of a team of 8 people who moved from London to Switzerland when tax rates were put up to 50%. They said they had been happy to pay 45% but felt the additional 5% was unfair. You can argue the rights and wrongs of their position as long as you want but the effect of this decision was that instead of getting £32m tax from their bonuses the UK got nothing. You can consider this level of income disparity obscene - but £32m buys a lot of public services so making the very rich unwelcome is not necessarily a good strategy.

You know a group of 8 people who each got a bonus of £8 million (not income, bonus) and they went to expense of moving to Switzerland due to a 5% tax increase on earnings over £150k?

Alsohuman

I was giving the example of France as being a place close within close proximity to the UK. Not about a lower tax haven

I have a few friends who have moved to Switzerland.

Once you get used to the prices not one wants to leave.

Friend said she feels safe, it is spotlessly clean and the water is fantastic.
One friends dh floated the idea of moving back here or going to Oz.

She refused to move

They have all been there over 15 years

I swear upthread Oliversmummy said her DH had cancer? So why would she consider moving to the US? They probably won’t allow someone with an existing serious illness to immigrate there and he won’t get insurance anyway.

Labour won’t win. Just like Remain didn’t.

The stupid, the self interested and the ignorant will see to it.

Christmas is coming and the turkey’s are getting very excited about it.

Oz is on the frontline of climate change, almost impossible to get a working visa for any of the attractive areas and has a higher cost of living. Not a great option.

@SemperIdem