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to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

709 replies

oliwki · 21/11/2019 18:27

If so, where will you be going?

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DangerClose · 22/11/2019 18:14

£100k study fees? No. They don't deserve to not be taxed even more, apparently. Barely any family time ever in one week because they are away looking after patients?

But doesn't Labour plan to eliminate tuition fees (vastly reducing study debt) and heavily invest in the NHS (meaning doctors will be able to work less ridiculous hours)?

longtimelurkerhelen · 22/11/2019 18:19

Sorry I know it's the Mirror

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-medical-staff-debunk-20905874

Solihooley · 22/11/2019 18:19

The doctors I know (London hospitals) are voting labour. It was this government that tried to launch an assault on junior doctors working conditions and pay remember? Maybe if the NHS becomes fit for purpose again it will encourage people to stay. Let’s not forget that the NHS can offer some of the best treatment and expertise in the world. Doctors want to work in the NHS, it’s considered far better professionally than private healthcare. As and aside, I don’t think money is the driving factor in people becoming doctors, many spend most of their working lives on really quite low salaries for what they do.

Alsohuman · 22/11/2019 18:19

Alsohuman how the fuck would I know?

Then why trot our such vacuous nonsense?

missyB1 · 22/11/2019 18:21

Dh is a hospital consultant and for the first time in his life won’t be voting Conservative. He is utterly dismayed at what this Government have done to the NHS.

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 22/11/2019 18:22

I had a horrendous birth experience in an NHS hospital that was completely under resourced

I watch my dying mother sit neglected on NHS wards during her last days for want of a doctor.

I spent 7 months fighting my local LEA to get additional school funding for my autistic child.

I honestly hope the entire Tory party rot in hell.

TheGirlFromStoryville · 22/11/2019 18:24

My BIL is a GP partner, in a very busy inner-city practice. He's planning on retiring next year at 55 due to the workload and bureaucracy. He is exactly the type of person Labour is labelling as the wealthy top 5%. He works extremely hard - why should he be penalised?

happinessischocolate · 22/11/2019 18:26

Yep. Not staying here under Corbyn. I didn't mind Labour as it was under Blair but Corbyn wants to take more money from my husband for having the audacity to have a good job with a good salary that took years of study and damned hard work to get.

So your husband has a similar job lined up for the same money in another country where the tax will be lower? Excellent, where will you be going?

And I'm sure there's plenty of people who will be extremely happy to apply for your husbands job once you're gone 😊

SinkGirl · 22/11/2019 18:28

Paying tax is not being penalised FFS. If he’s a GP then he knows better than anyone how desperately the NHS needs to be funded, especially if he’s planning to retire due to the workload. How do you think that’s changed in the last decade - for the better?

YouJustDoYou · 22/11/2019 18:28

@Alsohuman I didn't know I wasn't allowed to say they should look to get their funds from elsewhere.

As a consultant from 1 April 2019, you'll earn a basic salary of £79,860 to £107,668 per year, depending on the length of your service. You may apply for local and national Clinical Excellence Awards. This is a competitive process which takes into account work that you do over and above delivering your basic job requirements. In addition, if you take on extra responsibilities, for example in management or education, you may expect to be paid more
salaried GPs who are employees of independent contractor practices or directly employed byprimary careorganisations. From 1 April 2019, the pay range for salaried GPs is £58,808 to £88,744

I worked employing and runnimg interviews for consultants. Taken from the NHS " NHS Health Careers" website. Top earning UK NHS consultants and GPs get paid over the £80k proposed threshold. If they're happy to pay even more tax, fine. But I was privvy to the sheer amount of hours they would work to get that money. Literal unbelievable hours. I am happy to pay tax. But unless Labour promise to protect those same GPs and consultants, I can't stomach taking even more from them. If you're fine with that then that's great for you.

Alsohuman · 22/11/2019 18:28

My BIL is a GP partner, in a very busy inner-city practice. He's planning on retiring next year at 55 due to the workload and bureaucracy. He is exactly the type of person Labour is labelling as the wealthy top 5%. He works extremely hard - why should he be penalised?

Because retiring at 55 is something 99% of the population can only dream of? Because there are two few GPs and he’s leaving his colleagues in the lurch? Because he can afford it?

YouJustDoYou · 22/11/2019 18:29

My BIL is a GP partner, in a very busy inner-city practice. He's planning on retiring next year at 55 due to the workload and bureaucracy. He is exactly the type of person Labour is labelling as the wealthy top 5%. He works extremely hard - why should he be penalised?

It's not his money, according to many on here. That's public money, and he should be grateful to give it away.

Alsohuman · 22/11/2019 18:30

Bugger too few GPs!

Tellmetruth4 · 22/11/2019 18:34

DH and I earn well into 6 figures between us and we’re voting Labour. The country has gone so downhill over the last decade, its an embarrassment.

We currently already pay a good amount of tax but cannot see where it’s going as everything has been cut to the bone and the country is in a state because of it.

If Labour get in and take a little bit more but actually start to fund services so we can actually see the benefit of our money, I won’t begrudge it.

I’ve also been surprised by some of the people I know who were ‘compassionate Torys’ and voted for Cameron who will now hold their noses and vote for Labour. None of us want Corbyn as leader but we’re in agreement that the country will not survive a Johnson government with the ‘Brittania Unchained’ gang at the helm.

SinkGirl · 22/11/2019 18:37

But unless Labour promise to protect those same GPs and consultants, I can't stomach taking even more from them. If you're fine with that then that's great for you.

Why wouldn’t Labour protect them? It’s not labour who have decimated the NHS and made working conditions for GPs absolutely hideous.

Justanotherlurker · 22/11/2019 18:39

But it’s the tories who’ve repeatedly extended these contracts despite the overwhelming numbers of complaints, given them additional contracts (PIP), changed DLA to PIP, stripped people of their lifetime DLA awards, etc etc etc.

So we can now ignore Major implementing PFI, starting the light touch regulation on banking, as it was Blair who repeatedly extended it?

Can't have it both ways

YouJustDoYou · 22/11/2019 18:40

Why wouldn’t Labour protect them?

It's not in their manifesto.

SinkGirl · 22/11/2019 18:45

So we can now ignore Major implementing PFI, starting the light touch regulation on banking, as it was Blair who repeatedly extended it?

You’ll get no defence of Tony Blair from me, I don’t know why you think you would.

The Labour decision to introduce ESA and WCAs was bad. The decision to move all IB claimants over to it was worse. The removal of DLA and implementation of PIP has been catastrophic. And despite the condemnation of the UK’s treatment of disabled people by the UN, despite the impact of ATOS on disabled people and the horrific impact of that, they’ve recently extended their contract yet again.

Please don’t try and excuse these actions. They’re indefensible.

MarshmallowMuggle · 22/11/2019 18:47

Not a good poll for corbyn this evening. Only 25% think he could be PM.

The man has only ever had the cushy comfort of one of the safest labour seat and a public salary. He’s never had to do an actual job.

Poppyfields21 · 22/11/2019 18:48

Yes, I would like to but not sure where yet.

Alsohuman · 22/11/2019 18:51

The man has only ever had the cushy comfort of one of the safest labour seat and a public salary. He’s never had to do an actual job

Same as my Tory MP then.

SinkGirl · 22/11/2019 18:52

The man has only ever had the cushy comfort of one of the safest labour seat and a public salary. He’s never had to do an actual job.

Wow. 35 years of public service, who does an excellent job for his constituents. Appalling attitude.

DangerClose · 22/11/2019 18:56

The man has only ever had the cushy comfort of one of the safest labour seat and a public salary. He’s never had to do an actual job

Honestly when people post stuff as illogical and nonsensical as this, I just assume it's something they read somewhere and thought it sounded good and now they just repeat it without ever actually thinking about it.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/11/2019 19:24

The man has only ever had the cushy comfort of one of the safest labour seat and a public salary. He’s never had to do an actual job

He's never had to do a ministerial job either, because for whatever reason - and despite his decades in parliament - no Labour leader's ever seen fit to give him one

Funny, that ...

StoneofDestiny · 22/11/2019 19:29

I'm comfortably off from working extremely hard and reaching the top of my profession.
I won't vote a Tory.
A government under the lying, amoral, racist Johnson could never represent me.
He clearly models himself on Trump and leads a party of donkey's committed only to keeping their own MP salaries.
I want to see strong public services that everybody can access.
I'm no fan of Corbyn but I see Johnson as much much worse - a man who works to satisfy his own ambitions to be famous. He is a shallow egotist and very dangerous.