to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

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If so, where will you be going?

*There is always a chance, look at the trump/clinton election, they were saying she had a 95% chance of winning on the morning of the election.

We all know how that turned out.*

Clinton did win more individual votes. It was the bonkers college system that won the Trump victory. A better analogy is the 2017 polls that forecast a landslide for May, who ended up having to bribe the DUP.

If you know so much about this you’ll know that only 7% of the UK currently has full fibre

Well, there’s the thing. It’s very easy to make statistics say whatever you like. I don’t have ‘full fibre’. The telephone cable to my house from wherever the Openreach runs is the original copper. It doesn’t stop me being able to stream in 4K with absolutely no problems.

You can make statistics tell whatever story you like. All political parties are good at that one.

This is why Corbyn and McDonnell are so dangerous - they are economically illiterate, and I'm both horrified and depressed that so many people on these pages either can't or choose not to see through their lies

Completely agree, and I'm really shocked that another poster thinks they can simply make up the difference from a "myriad sources such as a reversal on inheritance tax cuts, a tax on second homes, a financial transactions tax, VAT on private schools, etc". For starters they won't be able to charge VAT on private schools if we stay in the EU, and a financial transactions tax will simply drive business abroad. The only way they can finance all their plans is by taxing everyone a lot more - not just the "rich" - and borrowing unbelievable sums of money which at some stage in the future will need to be paid back.

Sinkgirl - I was taking average cost of broadband to a household. However, you're right - given it's provision of fibre, the cost will be much much more (and yes, I do know a bit about it thanks!) in infrastructure and provisioning. So I'm happy to say that I was wrong - the cost would be even more astronomical and leave an even bigger hole in Labour's 'sums'.

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You’re talking average cost a broadband package, not average cost to supply broadband though - or aren’t you? Otherwise I can’t figure out what you’re saying.

You think the average cost of supplying fibre broadband to an individual house is £16 per month?

To install a national full fibre broadband network is estimated to cost around £20.3bn, plus whatever the cost is of buying out BT Openreach. To do so privately is estimated to cost closer to be £35bn due to duplication of service and would never be universal.

There are 25 million homes in the U.K.
I cannot find a figure for the number of commercial properties in the U.K. but apparently 45 million square feet are built every year, so clearly it’s a lot.

But even taken just in residential, the cost of installing the network works out as £92 per residence (obviously add on the cost of buying Openreach, but divide much further by the cost of commercial properties), over the course of several years. Even if the estimate is woefully low and you double that, it’s still nothing like you’re talking about.

Once installed, are you saying it would cost £16 per month to deliver it? Do you think it would cost £1600 per month every month to maintain the infrastructure for my road of 100 houses?

Or am I misunderstanding what you’re saying that £16 a month represents?

I think many of the people on here who ‘support’ the comrades are momentum bots sat at home on their computers

You can make statistics tell whatever story you like. All political parties are good at that one.

What? They’re not saying only 7% of households have internet access.

And if you have sufficient bandwidth to stream 4K video you’re in a small minority regardless of the service you currently have.

I'm really shocked that another poster thinks they can simply make up the difference from other sources

Wait... what? The PP you quoted was ranting that Corbyn and McDonnell are dangerous and clueless for thinking they could fund all their proposed changes simply by raising taxes on people earning over 80k. I pointed out that they don't think that. Pretty simple.

As a disabled single parent of a disabled child I will be organising street parties if Labour win the election.

Actually the figures for coverage have gone up, trying to track down the latest

I think many of the people on here who ‘support’ the comrades are momentum bots sat at home on their computers

I think you don’t understand what a bot is.

I think you don’t understand what a bot is

I think anyone who implies a labour voter is a communist understands very little about a lot of things.

Indeed Nat. But as we’ve seen over the last decade, the vast majority couldn’t give a shit about disabled people - if they did, the tories would already be long gone.

I would absolutely love to drop my twins’ EHCP paperwork off with some of these people and see the sort of systemic issues we are dealing with. Out of sight, out of mind as always...

Funny how it’s always tories accusing labour supporters of being bots when in reality...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/23/tories-hire-facebook-propaganda-pair-to-run-online-election-campaign

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-fake-labour-manifesto-website-fact-check-general-election-a9212076.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/24/tories-hire-army-tweeters-take-social-media-fight-labour/

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/20/twitter-accuses-tories-of-misleading-public-in-factcheck-row

Definitely the party of online integrity and transparency

As a disabled single parent of a disabled child I will be organising street parties if Labour win the election

And this is the depressing issue. Labour have promised the earth to people like the pp, but only based on taxing the shit out of people and companies who are fully capable of leaving the UK. And then what? When our top doctors and consultant, who are over that £80k tax threshold, leave for other countries who won't take all that hard earned money from them? Unless they can promise to protect our highest earning NHS staff, I will never vote for a government whose entire financial promise is based off of taking from people who have no barrier to leaving the UK for more welcoming pastures.

Yep. Not staying here under Corbyn. I didn't mind Labour as it was under Blair but Corbyn wants to take more money from my husband for having the audacity to have a good job with a good salary that took years of study and damned hard work to get.

Labour need better methods of raising money to support our needy.

Wasn't it Labour that awarded the contract for WCA's to ATOS in the first place?

Labour need better methods of raising money to support our needy

Such as? I’m sure they’d welcome your suggestions.

but Corbyn wants to take more money from my husband for having the audacity to have a good job with a good salary that took years of study and damned hard work to get

And that's the issue. No one is "allowed" to have had study debt, or years of study, or hours and hours of constant effort and months and years of constant work. £100k study fees? No. They don't deserve to not be taxed even more, apparently. Barely any family time ever in one week because they are away looking after patients? No, don't deserve that money, needs to be taxed even more because they "have no idea" what normal folk have to go through. What's the fucking point of studying medicine then? And so forth.

Not at all - just hope Tories don't get in with sleezebucket Johnson as their leader

@TheGirlFromStoryville Yes it was Tony tory in disguise Blair's government. A very different Labour.

@Alsohuman how the fuck would I know? Taxing our top doctors and consultant who are on that over £80k bracket surely isn't the answer. I'm not a financial advisor, so why would you think I would know? Average Joe's answer is to just tax the fuck out of the over £80k bracket, but they don't fucking consider how our top doctors are I that etc.

No but as a nurse I may if the Tories do!

I have seen a lot of doctors (I don't know if they are "Top" doctors) that have been complaining about the tory government so I would imagine some of them are voting labour.

Wasn't it Labour that awarded the contract for WCA's to ATOS in the first place?

It was indeed. A fucking horrendous move by, as a PP points out, a very different Labour Party. Say what you will about Corbyn, he would never have done this.

But it’s the tories who’ve repeatedly extended these contracts despite the overwhelming numbers of complaints, given them additional contracts (PIP), changed DLA to PIP, stripped people of their lifetime DLA awards, etc etc etc.