to ask if you will be (considering) leaving the UK if Labour/Corbyn get into power?

[oliwki]

If so, where will you be going?

I don’t mind the paying, it’s paying for changes I don’t believe in managed by fools that don’t take advice from experts that worries me!

But i must go back to my not concerning myself with the election, I already know how I’m voting as I expect a lot of us already do!

There are no studies about the effect of implementing changes of this scale, just taking the hike to the minimum wage as an example, it’s beyond what most experts can comfortably model

You don't have to model it. You just study other countries that have done similar.

Why would someone move to the US rather than live here? Corporation tax is higher, the cost of living is higher. Unless you're very wealthy and planning on doing even more tax dodging, it makes no sense.

That’s not very effective, you can look up what the IFS or low pay commission thinks if you are seriously interested. The low pay commission should be managing minimum wage changes because they know how to test them, not the current labour leadership.

I’m not on the fence though, I’m solidly pro Lib Dem and I can’t stand Corbyn slightly more than I can’t stand Johnson but I’d happily see them both escorted out of the country 😂

‘You don’t have to model it’....I wish I could time travel back to 1997-2000 and stay there!

"Why would someone move to the US rather than live here? Corporation tax is higher, the cost of living is higher. Unless you're very wealthy and planning on doing even more tax dodging, it makes no sense."

I'm an employee not a business so corporation tax doesn't affect me. The cost of living is indeed slightly higher but then so are wages to cover it. Most importantly of all it's a country that supports aspiration rather than socialism and always expecting others to pay.

So it makes sense to me.

I’m ex NHS. I’d come back to the UK if labour got in. I work in a hospital which is filling up with people like myself fleeing the UK because of the Tory intent to cripple the NHS. brexit was just the icing on the cake.

@MrsDoylesTea - hope you will enjoy your week's vacation (or 2 weeks if you are very lucky) and hope you are very fit and well - healthcare and insurance for healthcare is very expensive.

Oh - I know as my extended family are American.

I will celebrate. I’d consider leaving if Bojo gets in.

Labour's plan is to increase corporation tax to 26%, or 21% for companies making less than £300,000 a year.

Currently it's at 19% and due to fall to 17% under the tories.

The global average is 23%. In Germany it's 29. In France 34. Netherlands 25. Spain 25. Portugal 31. Italy 27. Belgium 29.

I don't get what's so radical.

No I will be celebrating.

If we could leave now & definitely with a continued Gov of Tory Twunts we would

Most importantly of all it's a country that supports aspiration rather than socialism and always expecting others to pay

Probably best to wait until after November 2020 before you make the move.

No, I would be overjoyed if Labour won. I'm sick of the Tories.

The last 10 years under the conservatives have been utterly depressing. Tory policies towards the most vulnerable in society and disabled people are inhumane. Public services and the NHS have been decimated, homelessness has risen. Please bring back Labour!

Nope. I love it here in the UK and will be staying

We won’t leave but my husband will start taking steps to close down his business, which employs 25 staff. A Corbyn government would be a disaster for business and the self employed. We are not rich at all, my husband has put in 12 hour plus days on this business since 2013. It literally would not be worth carrying on. Unfortunately Corbyn views as “rich” anyone who earns over £40k. Whilst I appreciate that is hardly peanuts it is certainly not rich when you have young children to bring up and a mortgage to pay.

It’s a sincere worry to me that most fiscal experts think corbyn’s manifesto is dishonest about tax and the scope of change is too great.

Corbyn wants to re-work the UK as Sweden. Fine - I disagree and will organise my affairs accordingly. The truth of the matter is that he must set his sights on the rank and file tax payer in order to achieve this; the basic rate of tax must be higher, and it has to start lower.

Yes, I will send you a postcard from NZ.

Corbyn and McDonnell would be an absolute disaster.

There must be a happy medium between Corbyn and Boris. But sadly Jo Swinson doesn’t appear to be it.

Unfortunately Corbyn views as “rich” anyone who earns over £40k. Whilst I appreciate that is hardly peanuts it is certainly not rich when you have young children to bring up and a mortgage to pay.

But the manifesto says:

We’ll ask those who earn more than £80,000 a year to pay a little more income tax, while freezing National Insurance and income tax rates for everyone else

No, I certainly wouldn't be leaving the country

But my movable assets would ...

As the IFS have pointed out, he can't make that kind of money by taxing the top 5 percent.

If Labour were less dishonest about where the money was going to come from I would consider voting for them. If they'd put up taxes across the board and not given lower paid workers a tax cut then I'd have considered voting for them. As it stands its a pack of lies. Not sure the Conservatives will do any better though!

Unfortunately Corbyn views as “rich” anyone who earns over £40k.

That simply isn’t true, nobody earning less than £80k will pay any more tax.

Fucking hell, have those of you wanting 5 more years of this government been lucky enough to experience excellent health?
This low tax strategy is not working. Children are dying who would survive in other European countries because even paediatric cancer wards are at breaking point. This happened in the ward my child is in a few weeks ago. I wrote to my Tory MP about the problems causing delays in treatment and medication shortages and the severe consequence. Guess what her reply blamed.
Immigrant children.
Yes, immigrant children with the fucking temerity to get cancer are to blame for children dying from substandard care because these heartless bastards have driven the NHS into the ground.

Alsohuman

Yes my childhood was deprived and as an extended family they all worked to get out of the deprivation but under the Labour government in the 70s we should have left then but we had elderly relatives who were too old to start again so we stayed.

My family spent years clinging on to the business and trying to keep a roof over our heads. Working every single day.
It did destroy our family.

This was under a Labour government that JC takes his ethos from.

I moved out and got a job.
My rent was 75% of my take home pay and travel to work took care of the rest.
I used to work Saturdays for food

I then realised that if I gave up my jobs and became unemployed I not only got my rent paid I also was £11 per week better off and with my UB40 card I was eligible for loads of free stuff.
I used to spend my days at the local leisure centre which was free.
Sauna and swimming a few days per week with my friends.

When a government made those not going to work better off than those who were working and expected those with businesses or just those that went to work to pay for it there is something truly fucked up about it’s calculations.

As for the manifesto, I'm not aware of any credible source who says it's workable, which is why I say that Corbyn must cast his sights on the rank and file.

The manifesto assumes, obviously, that their plans will not affect anyone's else's plans. The UK's ability to borrow at low rates, the ways in which the unemployed (and employed) will react to far more generous benefits, the increase in corporation tax as it relates to foreign investment, the tax on second homes and the housing market, the co-opting of private equity, the increase in minimum wage, the plans for social housing - who is going to build them? certainly not developers - so is the UK going to create a state building industry? and so on .

How can Corbyn supporters on the one hand think that the country has been overtaken by heartless bandits, but on the other hand think that these same people will react obediently to this new regime?

As someone who works across both the NHS and education, I believe that this country is crying out for a Labour government.

I have doubts about Corbyn himself, as a leader, and I worry about issues such as anti-semitism and women's rights. But...the Tories for another 5 years? Many people in the UK would genuinely not survive another Tory government, even without Brexit. With a Tory Brexit on top, it's genuinely unthinkable.

There is nothing in the Labour manifesto that would be regarded as even slightly radical in most of Europe. But I am so, so worried about what will happen to the UK if the Tories get in and their catastrophic Brexit happens.