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to think Scotland should be able to decide?

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KnowBetterDoBetter · 19/11/2019 22:32

I thought Jeremy absolutely smashed the debate, but both of them seemed to be absolutely resolute that it would be awful to give the Scottish people a independence referendum. I see this all over the media, too.

It would be so so sad if Scotland left the union - half my family are Scottish, and I'd be absolutely gutted.

But surely if the Scottish people want to leave, they should be free to. We don't (or shouldn't) live in a national dictatorship governed by London.

If Scotland were a fed up wife, dreaming of leaving her husband (the rest of the UK), it'd be wrong to force her to stay, right? Even if her husband would be gutted?

Am I missing something?

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StreetwiseHercules · 21/11/2019 08:51

“ Please don't accuse me of lying when I am merely giving my view of something I lived through. ”

I don’t accept it’s a good faith view or rational view. The campaign was hard fought on both sides, with very little in the way of incident. The referendum was held to the best international standards and was praised internationally. Some people might have fallen out but so what? That’s life. Should we just suspend politics or have people give up their goals because people might disagree with each other? Of course not. Ironically, the once scenes of violence were the extremists on the winning side the day after the referendum.

“ I'm just concerned that Scotland is not ready for more division,”

We have always had political division, in Scotland and across the UK. It is a sign of a healthy democracy. How come it is only on this issue that “division” is suddenly unacceptable? It’s a tactic, because you think you might lose.

“ certainly not ready to be an independent nation.”

Ridiculous. How can a medium sized, economically developed country with first world infrastructure, low levels of civil unrest and a devolved Parliament not be “ready” for independence?

Stooshie8 · 21/11/2019 10:12

LONDON (Reuters) - Scotland’s budget deficit has fallen to a seven-year low but remains much larger as a share of the economy than the average deficit for Britain as a whole, official figures showed on Wednesday — figures that were seized on by opponents of Scottish independence.
This was August this year.

StreetwiseHercules · 21/11/2019 10:21

British figures. It is odd how Scotland’s budget deficit calculated by London has grown very dramatically since the close call in 2014.

Even the global financial crisis didn’t have that result. Odd.

Stooshie8 · 21/11/2019 12:56

It wasn't repudiated the other night when Andrew Neil challenged David Linden on his show. His solution to it seemed to be immigration?!

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