to think Scotland should be able to decide?

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I thought Jeremy absolutely smashed the debate, but both of them seemed to be absolutely resolute that it would be awful to give the Scottish people a independence referendum. I see this all over the media, too.

It would be so so sad if Scotland left the union - half my family are Scottish, and I'd be absolutely gutted.

But surely if the Scottish people want to leave, they should be free to. We don't (or shouldn't) live in a national dictatorship governed by London.

If Scotland were a fed up wife, dreaming of leaving her husband (the rest of the UK), it'd be wrong to force her to stay, right? Even if her husband would be gutted?

Am I missing something?

"If the UK were a fed up wife, dreaming of leaving her husband (the rest of the EU), it'd be wrong to force her to stay, right? Even if her husband would be gutted?"

I find the cognitive dissonance needed for supporting Scottish independence from the UK but not the UK's independence from the EU absolutely astounding.

Thoroughly enjoying the poster full of opinions who believes the first minister is... Nicola Salmond?! Anyway OP YANBU.

Scotland would never cope alone without us and if they ever decide to vote again they will lose again. Why do they want to be a part of the EU but not the UK? Nicola is a ridiculous woman imho

@braw

Ha ha I wonder what he is doing these days after being a accused of some kind of sexual misconduct?

sorry about the extra A I was going to say his name then decided against it

Scotland voted to remain in the UK and then the UK voted to leave the EU. Democracy depends on accepting the majority vote whether it is your own personal choice or not.

@Speakeasy22

I voted to stay in the EU but I have accepted now that we will have to leave. However if Corbin gets in I will move to France.

Scotland would never cope alone without us and if they ever decide to vote again they will lose again. Why do they want to be a part of the EU but not the UK? Nicola is a ridiculous woman imho

You don't appear to know much about Scotland. Can you truly not imagine why there are Scots who would want to be part of the EU but not the UK?

And we're back to the bad marriage analogy. Why wouldn't it be for Scotland if it can cope separating from rUK? Why do people in rUK think it's okay to patronise us by telling us we can't cope alone, but simultaneously telling us we're not allowed that choice?

Instead of just giving Scotland another referendum why not extend the courtesy to the whole of GB and NI?

Perhaps it's time for a robust debate on the future of the UK. Does NI want independence or would England like to be independent of Scotland etc?

Why does England have no independent voice? No Assembly or Parliament?

If I recall Scotland was told that if anything substantial changed they would get another referendum. I think Brexit counts as "substantial ". Obviously it's up to Scotland if it wants to secede from the Union.

If the UK were a fed up wife, dreaming of leaving her husband (the rest of the EU), it'd be wrong to force her to stay, right? Even if her husband would be gutted?

I agree that if the majority of people want to leave then that should be all that is required.

Practically of course, they can't keep having referendums just to find out what the majority actually wants this month.

Has enough timepassed or enough changed to warrant re-finding out what the majority currently wants?

Perhaps there should be a referendum on whether a new independence referendum is warranted yet.

We did decide. We said naw!

We did decide. We said naw!

Things have changed a wee bit since then, though eh? We were promised if we stayed in the UK we'd also be staying in the EU.

Also, Alex Salmons appears to have had gender reassignment surgery according to one PP

I see no reason why scotland should not have another referendum. Clearly things have changed since the last one. Democracy is not a one off thing (nor do you only get to vote once in a generation despite a comment Alex Salmond once made)

In what way wouldn't a success yes result not mean leaving the EU? An independent Scotland would start off outside the EU, and need to apply to join, surely?

@Caledoniahasmyheartforever blithering nonsense. Your point 3. What the fuck are we expected to ‘live off’ as a country? The exportation of tunnocks teacakes and iron bru? Did you here that there is now a tax from the US due to aeroplanes that mean the majority of whiskey exporters have a tax so high it’s not worth exporting anymore? What happened to the oil that Sturgeon promised would be our saviour? Strange that is never mentioned any more?

She is a hypocrite, the wording she uses about Brexit is almost exactly the wording she disregards when talking about Scotland staying in the U.K. She also protects a made who it was an open secret in Scotland that he was a lecherous creep and turn out a rapist too. If it wasn’t so disgusting it would be laughable.

I voted already. I wanted everyone both times to stay together. I don’t want to do it again. I won one and lost one, I believe we have to follow through, that’s democracy you win some you lose some, and you have to suck it up.

I don’t want to vote again and listen to a bunch of overpaid megalomaniacs who just love the sound of their own voice and think only about what they want and not the country. I am jaded it all sucks.

“Here endeth the lesson” sorry for the rant

Bollocks “hear not here”

Who is supposed to pay for all these referendums?!

Does anyone know how to introduce a large dose of reality into politics? It needs it.

I thought it had been thoroughly explained that Scotland couldn't be financially viable alone: the oil won't be 'given back', the EU won't accept Scotland as a standalone state and on to the latest "We'll have the pound but it won't be linked to the English pound, but it will be the pound" weirdness from David Linden (did anyone else see that? I was transfixed by Andrew Neils' evident amusement)

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1204120/Brexit-News-Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-Independence-currency-Andrew-Neil-show-Scotland

If there is to be an Independence referendum I'd like a list:

Independent Scotland
Independent England
Independent Wales
Independent Northern Ireland
Independent Whole of Ireland
Independent England and Wales
Other

Otherwise how do we all get our voice heard on this apparently vital matter?

Personally I'd love Scotland to vote yes. I'd happily arrange temporary housing across England and Wales for all the sensible Scots who voted no. Then, when the reality comes crashing in on those who remain Independently Scottish, the independent world doesn't work, they can all go home and we will all politely agree to pretend it never happened!

And it was a once in a lifetime vote. We voted no to independence, so Sturgeon and her ilk need to respect that and move on

I get tired of points like this. Apart from the fact it wasn't a "once in a lifetime vote" as this was never official SNP policy, it was a remark by Alec Salmond, "Sturgeon and her ilk" are the Government voted in by the Scottish people, they have at the core of their policies a wish for Scottish independence so will have or indeed why should they "move on". People know what they are voting for when they vote for them, it's no surprise really.

Still laughing at the poster who thinks Salmond is still in charge.

You think the only assets your own country has is Tea cakes and Ginger? Good god!

I could also mention the pathetic lies that the No campaign peddled out, saying an independent Scotland would = leaving the European Union, or actually more ‘Stay in the UK if you want to stay in the European Union’- in fact you could call this gaslighting

The Scottish referendum was in 2014.

David Cameron announced the EU referendum in early 2013.

That said nobody voted for a no deal Brexit, which is what we'll get at the end of next year if people vote Tory on 12th December and give us a Tory majority, so in that case there should absolutely be a referendum in Scotland. Can Londoners and the remain voters in the English cities, Thames Valley and M3 corridor, join you?

I'm in Scotland and hoping we don't get any more SNP MPs - they haven't shone so far. And if we don't then hopefully the independence vote demanders will fade away.
Apparently even if we got independence we won't get into EU as our fiscal deficit is too high. SNP have no policies on how to reduce it. Their only plan is to increase immigration !?! Surely our ?6 Scottish unis produce enough skilled professionals to fill the vacancies. Creaming the best educated people from third world countries or China seems a bit underhand to me, trying harder to keep our own would be better.