I can't watch the leaders debate tonight. I'm too angry.

[ssd]

I'm too angry about brexit. And the effect it'll have on us all. I can see a tory majority happening and it sickens me. I don't know what's happened to ordinary people. They've fell for something that will make their lives worse, sold to them by an elite that has shafted them.

I can't fucking bare it.

Labour voter here: I thought Corbyn did very well. The vacant look in Bojo’s eyes.. I wonder did he have an earpiece feeding him replies like a female Tory did on Newsnight a few weeks ago? There is no level of deception that I wouldn’t put past that vile man. He can’t even say how many kids he has.

dadshere your post makes me sad.

What is wrong with this country now? (rhetorical question)

I cannot see the Tories healing the current divisions; Labour for me all the way - and if someone really can't understand their position then the only thing that comes to mind is two short thick planks.

@JKScot4 "If you can go to bed tonight comfortable with voting Tory, I truly hope you never find yourself in need of support or caring for an elderly or disabled person when you’ll vote for a party that has caused 1000s of deaths with their cuts."

Personally, I hope they do. And I hope they understand, then, once and for all, what they've done. Though they'll probably still blame Labour. I mean, God forbid that their precious Tories could finally have an effect on their protected little lives.

I've had to stop watching TV and listening to the BBC in particular, especially Any Questions, Any Answers and Question Time. I can only presume most of the people they wheel out are direct from Tory Casting. For the sake of my electronics and my blood pressure I've had to stop.

I don't understand why anyone who isn't a toff would vote Tory, or even yellow Tory. How bad do things have to get, for God's sake? I just know how I'll be voting and it won't be for the True Blues, or the Yellow Tories, or (sadly) the Greens, under our current regime.

I may not think Corbyn is the best leader ever, and I've been disappointed by the party's stance on Brexit, but he is consistent and he is compassionate, it seems. And I can't help feeling it's highly likely the BBC lighting people fiddled about with the lighting or the cameras trained on him to make our beloved BJ (not) appear more handsome. (I'm not even going to mutter, Should have gone to Specsavers under my breath.) Why would anybody trust their drinks cabinet with that creature, let alone an entire company.

I too see a Tory majority, again, whatever they have to suppress or fiddle to get it. And it disgusts me. People who vote for them disgust me, in the light of the last 9 years. I actually no longer want to be English, thanks, but unfortunately I'm too far south for the SNP even to be recognised as a party.

The glasses comment says everything you need to know, really, about how many people have swallowed the MSM presentation of Corbyn, hook, line and sinker and they're too stupid or uncaring to realise they're being played.

It reminds me of a friend who, when 9/11 was announced, was so focused on how nice the dress was that the female newsreader was wearing she didn't even realise that the towers had come down until about 48 hours later.

There there, dear, let the men do the thinking, why don't you.

I was admiring how shiny and vibrant JC's tie was... is that not the definition of sharp, a very shiny tie?

Great job by Boris, really nailed Corbyn on his cowardly, two-faced Brexit policy.

@CendrillonSings did you accidentally tune into the Teletubbies instead of the debate?

As for the royal family being “beyond reproach “ - how anyone on a parenting forum can support this comment, after Prince Andrew’s behaviour this week, fills me with horror and bafflement. The Tories exist in a moral vacuum.

Jeremy absolutely rinsed Johnson, which I wasn’t expecting at all to be completely honest.

I don’t think many people would expect it because of the way Corbyn is presented in the media - there will be lots of people who watched that debate having rarely heard Corbyn actually speak and certainly debate.

He will have surprised a lot of people. Personally I’m not surprised in the least because Boris is absolutely dreadful without a clear script, he can barely string a sentence together. Corbyn is actually a very good speaker.

Cannycat20, watch question time when it came from Glasgow, a few weeks ago. Worth watching then.

The media will savage Corbyn tomorrow. Nothing surer. Whatever he's said tonight.

Why couldn’t Boris answer the question about personal integrity? Is that because he has zero grasp of what it is?

Boris was horrific in the debate, talked over the top of JC, rude, bumbling, needs a haircut desperately. And probably needs more media training. How anyone can vote for him to run this country is beyond me. You can just tell every word is a lie out of his mouth.

I only watched the last 15 minutes it was awful Boris talking over and Corbyn not sounding convincing enough

As someone at work said the choice is

A stupid fool
Or
A devious fool

What a choice. Who came out better neither Corbyn’s answers were more direct and felt more honest but Boris looks more in charge - I don’t doubt Boris shall win the election on his Brexit stance

dirtyrottenscoundrel Tue 19-Nov-19 21:54:05
Ahh, but Scrooge turned out to be lovely in the end.....wink

Whichever party you 'support' you're going to find favour in how your party's leader came across/find fault with the opposition

Population of 70 million and we get to choose between these two wankers. I genuinely despair.

@cannycat20
Fortunately I’m north of the border, the Tory slogan ‘Britain deserves better’ is laughable, they’ve had 9 years to do better!
Adding a trillion to the ND isn’t better, food banks isn’t better, benefit claimants starving to death, veterans on the streets isn’t better, slashing NHS staff, police, firefighters isn’t better. This is before we even look at the compulsive amoral liar Johnson is, if his ex’s posted on MN he’d be torn to shreds.

@ssd, I'll look that one up. One of my joys of the last few years has been watching the SNP in the Houses of Power.

I'm from the north east originally with many Scottish relatives (though currently stranded in Canary-land, aka the West Country, almost all yellow with a bit of green outside Bristol and bits of Exeter and Plymouth). Having lived all round England, and other places too, I know that much of the south AND the midlands have no clue whatsoever about the issues in the north. Half of them don't even know where it is. (No, people, it doesn't start at Stoke-on-Trent.)

*and I meant to say "country" not "company" in the earlier post. I was so cross I didn't even realise that's what I'd typed, before the grammar police start.

Yes the royal family ‘beyond reproach’ comment has honestly gobsmacked me, even for BJ. What sort of world are we living in? I wonder if Johnson would have thought to mention the victims at all if JC hadn’t done so first.

Most articulate: Corbyn

Most aggressive: Johnson

Clearest on Brexit: Johnson

Strongest on health/welfare: Corbyn

Most integrity: Corbyn

Overall, will make very little difference to the polls. Corbyn has the stronger domestic policies / decency, but lacks the decisiveness many people want on Brexit.

BJ doing much better than JC so far.

There there Xenia, we heard you the first time. Repeating yourself doesn't make your warped version of events any more real dear. Now put the crayons down, clean your teeth & go back to bed

Great job by Boris, really nailed Corbyn on his cowardly, two-faced Brexit policy.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Give it up.

Consider BJ as being the consequences of what the third ghost warned against if money and profits continue to outweigh humanity.

I’m also really impressed that I managed this leap of logic on less than 2 hours sleep in the last 24 hours so please try not to completely flame me in any rebuttals eh

Cannycat

I noted JCs appearance for that exact reason. He will always be known in the paper for being scruffy. So why wouldn't his PR team make sure he looks on point when he's on TV.
It just seems a bad PR move considering what is always reported on him. He could have said anything and still it will be his scruffy appearance.

Having originally not intended to watch, I did except for the very beginning.

I think Corbyn came off best.

The 'Christmas Carol' comment was funny!

I refuse to believe that even the most fervent tory supporter watched that bumbling twit “er...” his way through that debate and truly thought “great job Boris”.

Not a chance.

What worries me is, we had a vote which is democratic, and one side won, while the otherside did everything to derail it. What if that had happened with the scottish referendum, or votes in the houses of parliament, whereby the losing side does not respect the vote. This has nothing to do with leaving the EU now, it is about democracy, and voting in a bunch of idiots from one side, or nut-cases from the other.