I can't watch the leaders debate tonight. I'm too angry.

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I'm too angry about brexit. And the effect it'll have on us all. I can see a tory majority happening and it sickens me. I don't know what's happened to ordinary people. They've fell for something that will make their lives worse, sold to them by an elite that has shafted them.

I can't fucking bare it.

@Yappy12 no one gives a shot what you have to say after your disgusting comment. Off you fuck.

happyandsingle yet you found Yappy’s ‘joke’ funny? And you don’t see anything particularly strange about that? Odd.

If the dyed in the wools are calling it a draw, you know what the real result was.

"I have Jewish friends so it's ok to laugh about Windrush victims, cos I'm not racist or anything"

@Deathgrip.

Do you have a crystal ball? No-one can say what life will be like after Brexit. We should have left on 31st Oct. with no deal as Boris wanted.

It doesn’t matter what he wants. He wants to do what’s right for the country
Sadly that is what many people think, he is a sheep rather than a leader. If someone wants to lead a country they should have the ability to put forward what they believe and how they will achieve it.

If Corbyns plan is to sit on the fence and keep saying "you tell me what to do because I dont know", then he is never going to inspire enough people to win an election. Its weak.

Mumsnet always attract a pack of vultures on threads like this.
It scares mumsnetters of from posting because some of the keyboard warriors on here are pretty savage.
It's a shame posters words are twisted and therefore are bullied of the forum.
What could of been an interesting if not heated debate sadly turns into a form.of character shaming on certain posts.

I don't see listening to what people would like and exercising it with due diligence as weak.

God imagine being so brainwashed you don’t want a leader that cares about your opinion and wants the best for you.

Daft bastards the lot of you.

The electorate seems to disagree. Generally speaking, they like their leaders to be leaders, not “neutral” followers.

There’s a difference between a leader and a dictator, you know.

I don’t want a leader who runs the country based on their own personal opinions, if the electorate disagree.

There were certainly lots of lies. But polls suggest the same result on a referendum revote. I am a remainer but come on, claiming the moral high ground of wanting what the people want while ignoring a referendum vote that wasn’t what you wanted is a bit much.

The lies are the least of it. People voted for something that had never been done, with no idea of what it would entail or how it would work - the bloody government didn’t even know until a few months ago.

The referendum should never have happened in the form it did, and with as little understanding of the process and impact as it did.

Also Corbyn is a Brexiteer.

Not quite. But it doesn’t matter. And it’s funny because there are plenty of tories her arguing he’s a remainer so won’t push for a decent deal.

Corbyn’s place is in the wrong with many people apparently. Which is bloody ridiculous.

Let me guess, tory voters think Boris performed better and Labour voters think JC did?

Shocker.

Happyandsingle - you laughed at windrush victims. You probably dont even know one. Meet one and then come here telling me how peoples words get twisted. I assure you, it's not fucking funny.

@happyandsingle I don’t have an issue getting racists, racist sympathisers and disabilist idiots off of threads tbh.

You can debate constructively and with reason and facts. You don’t have to be a cunt about it.

It's a shame posters words are twisted and therefore are bullied of the forum.

Whose words were twisted?

Well said Mustard.

*austerity is the result of there being no money left after the last Labour govt.

I didn't know anyone actually still believed this*

I know someone who does. It’s quite incredible, isn’t it?

If Corbyns plan is to sit on the fence and keep saying "you tell me what to do because I dont know", then he is never going to inspire enough people to win an election. Its weak.

It really saddens me that you don’t know the difference between this and a leader who understands he works for us, and his job is to do what’s best for us.

It was the tories who set the referendum remember? They asked us to tell them what to do, because they didn’t know. And in fact the whole thing was nothing more than a vote grabbing exercise from UKIP. They never thought they’d lose. They didn’t anticipate the outright lies and manipulation from the leave supporter who is now our prime minister...

Do you remember the day after the Brexit vote, with Johnson being interviewed and immediately distancing himself from the promises the Leave campaign made? The man is a snake. He’s not fit to lead a dog.

Ffs she made a baked bean joke and now she's a fucking racist. Anyway I'm of but I'm sure you'll find a new bit of meat to sink your teeth into.

Completely agree with this:

The lies are the least of it. People voted for something that had never been done, with no idea of what it would entail or how it would work - the bloody government didn’t even know until a few months ago.

The referendum should never have happened in the form it did, and with as little understanding of the process and impact as it did.

It did happen though and denying that is going down an anti-democratic path which is an even darker option than Brexit.

Personally, I blame David Cameron.

Also Corbyn is a Brexiteer

Corbyn voted Remain in 2016, it's easily fact checked.🤷‍♀️

He heads a divided party though & his stance on Brexit now reflects that & a very divided country. He wants to try for a different kind of deal if possible & give everyone the choice of that or Remain. It may end up that he can't achieve a better deal, & it's choice between BJs/TMs deal & Remain. He's leading, not dictating, his personal views are secondary to the party & the people'. He's much more amiable to the EU than BJ is though, so he could have the edge to re open negotiations & achieve something better.

A joke is supposed to be funny. Yeah, off you go. If you cant engage brain and debate, maybe don't.

*Soen Tue 19-Nov-19 22:50:33
Whether you're a brexiteer or a remainer - we can't twist and turn to suit.

Oh but we can. That's democracy in action. If something doesn't work, we vote for a better solution.*

I absolutely disagree with you - democracy is not 'not liking the result so we'll vote again until the vote I like happens'. And I still haven't said which stance I take.

I absolutely will disagree with any party who preaches democracy can be ignored because some opposition think it in the best interests if our country and (lets face it piss poor) leaders of our political parties override that.

A vote was cast. We voted to leave. Yeah but no but? Move to Korea - you'll agree with their politics more

Seriously? We voted to leave - that decision should absolutely be adhered to otherwise all

She made a baked beans joke? I could comment but I won’t. In case I twist your words. Jesus.

Good work on this thread Yappy12. Loving your Orwellian approach.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad,
4 legs good, 2 legs bad.

I think Windrush is the worst scandal in living memory.

Our Government offered people to come here after WW2 to rebuild our country, which they did, leaving their wives and children, not paid much, subjected to appalling racist abuse and attacks. Told they could settle here and bring their families over. For all this, how were they repaid?

I don’t know anyone personally that has been devastated by the Windrush scandal, for which I am glad because I wouldn’t be able to look them in the eye after the way this country has treated them.

If you can joke about it, shame on you.