To think it's time the Queen passed the throne to Charles?

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Given recent events concerning Prince Andrew, and the ensuing scandal, is it time for Charles to take over as King now? The Queen has been dedicated all her life to her civil duties, and continues to perform them well, but as she and the DOE are getting older, it appears her/their ability to control situations with some of the other members of the royal family is waning.

It could be argued that both Harry and Meghan and now Prince Andrew seem to be ignoring advice, unwisely sharing their grievances with the media and striking out on their own with the inevitable backlash (I am referring to interviews, not libel actions). Anecdotally, more and more people are saying it's time to get rid of the royal institution.

If Charles were to become King, it is probable that he would streamline the RF to just William and his heirs and make some needed adjustments, such a move might renew interest in the RF, increase their popularity and ensure their continuance as Charles is more in touch with the mood of the nation.

Also just read this provocative Daily Mail article,

Headline: 'The Queen 'backs' Prince Andrew and 'believes him 100 per cent'

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7698021/Queen-goes-horse-ride-Windsor-Castle-grounds-days-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-interview.html

Do think something has to change.

@Mothership4two

It is true. Unless you can point me to a document which shows a change in that status?
Are you maybe thinking about the duchy of Cornwall?

The crown estate does not belong to the royal family in the same way as anything else They own. They can't sell any of it for profit or whatever. It would need to be a business decision to sell something because it was losing money. And all the profits are handed to the government. It may as well be the government who own it.

TheCrown Estate madeabout £330 million profit. As we've said this all goes into Consolidated Fund before the government pays the Sovereign Grant which is based on 25% ofEstateprofits.

Elizabeth the Last.

Monarchy is a complete anachronism in this day and age.

I don’t believe it is an anachronism, nor do 70% of the population. MN is disproportionately republican.

I don’t believe it is an anachronism

Do you believe in her divine right to rule?

Cannot stand Charles and his wife. I think they both have a moral compass set at zero, and I would much refer William and Kate in charge and bypass Charlie completely. He’s a horrible little man.

No @LaurieMarlow, I don’t and inferring that from my very simple statement is quite a stretch.

Andrew has always been the Queen's "golden child". It hasn't just happened since she got older.

I doubt that she'll step down - she isn't showing any signs of getting frail, and she vowed to do the job for life. I think she'll do it until she dies.

Alsohuman This is a genuine question, not a dig - if you don't accept the idea of the monarch's divine right to rule, by what authority do you accept the Queen being on the throne and the Royals receiving state funding?

Wow, are you honestly drawing a parallel between Prince Andrew and Meghan Markle? Blimey!

Anyway, the Queen has said she'll carry on till she pegs it, since that's what monarchs do. And that's that.

I wouldn’t say the monarchy rule. Realistically they haven’t done so for a very long time, have limited powers and the public certainly wouldn’t accept them using them

No I think the monarchy should be abolished when the Queen dies.

I agree. Having a royal family is a complete anachronism, and Charles is a meddling buffoon.

Let Her Maj be the last, and then we can be a republic; like a proper, grown-up country not a relic of a feudal state.

It's time the Queen passed the throne into history, where the whole charade that is Royalty belongs.

This.

Your reasoning is illogical.

She had no control over Margaret's actions and her scandals.

She had no control over her uncle, King Edward (the one who abdicated) - he even met up with Hitler!!

She had no control over Charles and the Diana/ Parker Bowles scandal.

And now this latest one...

She has no control over her family much as might wish for them to toe the line. And abdication would be the only route for her to pass the crown to Charles - something I think she would never do given their history.

She's probably going to pop her clogs in the next decade anyway along with DoE. I'm sure there's no need for her to abdicate now. Nature will run its course.

The Queen will not abdicate.

Get over it.

As for a republic, given it took about 90 years to remove hereditary peers, I cannot see any change if at all until we are all long dead. There is a part of me alongside the tradition that monarchy brings that likes a part of public life without party politics. The Irish Republic has been fortunate with its last three Presidents, but think of people such as those who have held office in France.

My view on Andrew is that he should resign his place in the line of succession, and just be Duke of York.

- if you don't accept the idea of the monarch's divine right to rule, by what authority do you accept the Queen being on the throne and the Royals receiving state funding?

Divine right presupposes a belief in God so that question falls at its first hurdle. Personally I’d rather have a monarch with very limited powers than a president, the thought that we could hand huge amounts of power to someone like Trump makes my blood run cold. The degree of populism we have now is more than enough.

Added to which I’m a bit of a sucker for tradition and pomp and ceremony. I blame it on being Leo!

My view on Andrew is that he should resign his place in the line of succession, and just be Duke of York.

The problem is that if he did this, it would be seen as some kind of grand gesture, but in fact since he is now only 8th in line to the throne, it would be meaningless.

'President Boris?

That is such a fucking weak argument. How dya fancy King Andrew? For sixty years?

The real "change" I want to see is for the whole lot to be got rid of. The thought of Charles as monarch makes me shudder, but if he caused enough damage to persuade enough into republicanism (and I personally believe he would) then having him for a brief spell might be no bad thing

It's depressingly true that a majority still favour a monarchy, but it's also very heavily skewed in terms of age - and probably also by loyalty to our present Queen. Republicans expect that to change in time, and as with the Andrew thing, every little helps

It’s not that skewed by age.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists

The modern day royal family love the media when it treats them well, not so much when they question it. Meghan and Harry get lost with your PR machine.

Diana well she isn't what a lot of people say she was she played the public and media well.

The queen should be the last monarch.

The Queen should be allowed to live out her reign. She deserves that. The monarchy should then be abolished, its assets sold off and the royal family should support themselves a private citizens.

They should be replace by an elected figurehead president whose role is entirely ceremonial, as in Ireland or Germany.

YABU for not only reading the thing, but also posting links to the DM.

I don't think Charles is in any rush to take the job.

I don't think Charles is in any rush to take the job.

I've read opinions that he is in the sense of feeling that his life is being wasted while he is waiting round as Prince of Wales, but obviously as it would come at the expense of the loss of his mother, it isn't something he would actively hope for because he'll naturally be stricken by her loss.

Personally I’d rather have a monarch with very limited powers than a president, the thought that we could hand huge amounts of power to someone like Trump makes my blood run cold

A president doesn’t have to have any more significant powers, look at the Irish model. Also check out the types of people they elect as president.

The idea of having a head of state dependent on birth is so fucking ridiculous in this day and age it’s hard to take it seriously. If you don’t believe in divine right, on what grounds should they be given such power and privilege?