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to suggest that Mumsnet is quite sexist against men?

848 replies

Eckhart · 18/11/2019 16:51

I don't know if it's just the threads I've been on. I don't know how many men use Mumsnet.

Sexism either way makes me equally uncomfortable. How do other Mumsnet users feel about this?

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T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/11/2019 17:54

misandry no such thing, since men as a sex group have always held power over females as a sex group.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/11/2019 17:54

In all my time here I have never once seen anyone claim that all men are desperate to get into women’s toilets. Quite the opposite. The point raised is that there is literally n way to differentiate between those who do and those who don’t.

Which is why we sensibly have rules that say men are not allowed in protected female spaces - rules which many believe are being abused by a minority of people, who may well represent a danger to women (or may not, but, as you say, you have no way of knowing once they've disobeyed the clear instruction). But I have frequently seen comments saying things like "Men don't even want us to be able to have our own safe areas." The sweeping use of the word 'men' gives entirely the wrong impression.

Imagine if somebody said the following two sentences. "Mike Tyson is a disgusting convicted rapist. Those black people - they don't even see anything wrong with rape." You may protest that by "Those black people" you meant only those who rape. Sounds quite unconvincing even from a language POV. Even if you did mean that, why would you single out black rapists from all rapists (and thus categorise all non-rapists of all colours alongside the white and Asian rapists)? As far as I'm aware, Tyson has no major health problems, but nobody would for a moment think of criticising "Those able-bodied people" as a class.

AnyFucker · 18/11/2019 17:55

I don't give one tiny fuck

HauntedPinecone · 18/11/2019 17:55

Thank god you are here to defend the poor men! What would they do without you, those poor oppressed little poppets.

There are many more penis pleasers on here than there used to be, so I'm sure you'll find some likeminded cock worshippers for you to play with.

vincettenoir · 18/11/2019 17:56

I have seen threads where people have shared concerns about a partner and many posters have said to LTB without considering there might be another side to the story. But then I’ve also seen loads of threads where posters tell women to go NC with their MIL. And I saw a horrible thread the other day where a woman was flamed for the way she reacted after being sexually harassed by a friend’s DP. I don’t think MN is sexist as such. It’s more that Internet forums bring out the worst in some people who like to get outraged and can’t handle any complexity or nuance.

PumpkinPieAlibi · 18/11/2019 17:57

I like this place as it offers an insight to how other women live and what they experience and I enjoy and relate to that but there is a double standard here.

I remember the first time I saw abusive behaviour justified here because it was perpetrated by a woman. There is simply no excuse for hitting someone and that goes both ways.

This isn't a man vs woman debate... if we want equality, we have to speak up when inequality occurs against anyone, even those who aren't us.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/11/2019 17:57

I'm sure you'll find some likeminded cock worshippers for you to play with.

Oh, I don’t think OP will have much problem finding a cock.

HauntedPinecone · 18/11/2019 17:58

Ahhhhh, of course! Makes sense now.

PositiveVibez · 18/11/2019 17:58

I think that we are so attuned to the world being sexist towards women that equality seems like oppression towards men

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JAPAB · 18/11/2019 17:59

If it is sexist to automatically assume a bad motive / agenda / thought process when it is a man, then I've seen that here.

isabellerossignol · 18/11/2019 18:01

Even if this site was anti men (which I don't think it is) it's interesting that even something as mild as a woman saying 'that's enough, I don't want to live like that anymore, I want to leave him', is viewed as harmful to men.

Yet you don't have to stumble too far on the internet to find chat forums where men share their fantasies of actually raping and murdering women who have rejected them.

And weirdly there is no outcry over women's feelings.

mothertruck3r · 18/11/2019 18:02

YANBU. According to Mumsnet a white, male, Christian = Satan personified.

HauntedPinecone · 18/11/2019 18:03

Yet you don't have to stumble too far on the internet to find chat forums where men share their fantasies of actually raping and murdering women who have rejected them

Exactly. I often say the same thing on threads like these, where an OP is attempting to police the language of women, why not pootle over to pistonheads, or reddit. See how you get on over there. Strangely, they never do. Can't imagine why.....

Whitehorseinthehill · 18/11/2019 18:03

Wow. You people really don't like men! I didn't think your prejudice would be so blatant

I like men. I live with 3 of them two of which are my lovely sons.

But mumsnet is not sexist against men.

Also, women would do themselves a huge favour if they stopped tying themselves in knots worrying about men.

Patroclus · 18/11/2019 18:05

Im sure they can handle it. Should see the reaction of some posters if a women ID'd herself on some of the football forums I used to go on.

Im more concerned about the ''everybody doing something fucked up must have autism, and everybdy else as well'' thing.

LolaSmiles · 18/11/2019 18:11

yes, I agree that, when someone pops up and says "ah, if the roles were reversed you'd all be shrieking LTB", they're usually talking crap.
It depends on the topic in my opinion.

For example, there's one thread at the moment where someone (woman) is likely to earn more than her DP, but thinks that things should only be 50/50. Yet there's countless other threads where roles are reserved and the consensus IS that a male DP should be paying proportionally more into a serious relationship because they are presumably a shared household.

Equally, I think on phone checking / policing friendships there are quite a lot of double standards. If a man checks up on his wife's whereabouts, tells her she can't go for after lunch drinks because there's male colleagues, he doesn't like her hanging out with an old friend from uni, wants to check her texts etc then he is rightfully called out as being controlling. Yet there are loads of threads where women who say they want to do the same thing are told that they are totally right to do it, trust your instincts, no smoke without fire, if he has an issue it proves you can't trust him.
Whereas common sense would say that snooping and policing friendships can be both controlling and a sign of lacking trust and so there's an issue in the relationship that needs resolving because it's not good behaviour on either part.

You're right that some threads show countless women supporting clearly abusive men, but I think there are times when OPs are given a free pass because they're female.

Theendofmyrope · 18/11/2019 18:22

If it’s a woman hitting her partner it is mainly justified by he must have pushed her to do it

I have NEVER seen that in all the years I have been here. Possibly by a tiny minority of posters but certainly the OP will be clearly told by the majority that violence is not acceptable

Eckhart · 18/11/2019 18:31

To those talking about my agenda, please could you tell me what it is, in your opinion.

To those who aren't sure what my previous thread was which has been referred, here it is www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3745185-To-want-Primark-to-provide-a-women-only-changing-room

To those who assume I am male, please tell me why you are making this assumption.

Thank you.

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Eckhart · 18/11/2019 18:34

@patroclus So if someone behaves disrespectfully, you stoop to their level? I don't get it. Surely if you don't like what they're doing, you wouldn't want to do it too?

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LolaSmiles · 18/11/2019 18:38

To those talking about my agenda, please could you tell me what it is, in your opinion
This comes across a bit like sealioning OP.

I hadn't noticed until another poster identified the patterns but if anyone seems to turn up largely making claims about female violence, then starts another thread about how MN hates men and is sexist towards men etc then it's hardly surprising that people will comment that it seems very much part of the MRA agenda, or a woman with a view of "poor men" that's often associated with a similar parenting website that's a bit more sympathetic towards that sort of ideology.

Eckhart · 18/11/2019 18:39

@HauntedPinecone I've never been on those forums you refer to because I was interested in being on a forum for parents. The reason I won't be going there now is because I don't share their interests and I'm not going somewhere I wasn't already and then trying to pick a fight.

I'm not trying to police anyone. I asked a question and stated my opinion. There's a lot of defense here.

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Theendofmyrope · 18/11/2019 18:41

I think you have probably lived a charmed life OP where men are concerned.
There are many many many woman on here whose lives have been blighted by men in sometimes the most horrific ways and you are bleating on about feeling 'uncomfortable' because the poor menz are perhaps not, in your eyes and those of a few other posters, been treated in the same was as female posters on an internet forum FFS

But am sure the men on MN will be delighted to have you as there very own cheerleader

It must be fucking tough for them on here
Hmm

Eckhart · 18/11/2019 18:43

@LolaSmiles i don't know what sealioning is?

I didn't make claims about female violence. If you read the other thread you'll see that that people were saying that men attack women, which I agree is totally true. Then I was saying that, in fact, everybody attacks everybody, so everybody needs to be protected. (ie men attack boys, boys attack girls, women attack boys etc) For me it doesn't matter the proportions, if you can protect everybody, you should try.

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siring1 · 18/11/2019 18:44

The sexism here is sometimes awful

There's none so blind as those that will not see.

HauntedPinecone · 18/11/2019 18:47

No OP, no 'defence', and I'm afraid that tactic won't work with me.

I read the thread that has led you to create this one. You were very very keen to allow men access to single sex spaces. You were disingenuous throughout the thread, and then brought out the faux naievity towards the end, then started this thread to get the man pleasers on your side. Good job Confused

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