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I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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ilovetofu · 15/11/2019 15:07

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Alsohuman · 15/11/2019 19:47

I do agree with the irony of people accusing Tory voters of acting selfishly while Labour voters are voting for a party they perceive will allocate them more in the handout of resources as a PP put it.

I’ll almost certainly lose out, there certainly won’t be any “hand outs” coming my way. I can afford to pay more if it means more money spent on health, education and fewer people in poverty.

MrOnionsBumperRoller · 15/11/2019 19:48

I care very much about other people hence my continued support of Bojo, who is doing a marvellous job.

PaisleyPrintz · 15/11/2019 19:48

I wish vote Libdem, because of 'x' option on passport.

Labour? Hard left, unrealistic policies, plus hate of adult human females.

I won't be voting.

Scary times.

BackInTime · 15/11/2019 19:49

@FelicityFartypants I just cannot understand it either. PIL said today that they think the Tories are doings great job and that all this talk about the NHS on its knees is just nonsense. I just hope they don't have to find out the truth soon.

PaisleyPrintz · 15/11/2019 19:49

Won't, not wish! Ffs

Alsohuman · 15/11/2019 19:51

Wait until he finds himself on a trolley in A&E @BackInTime. Does he not watch the news? Even the BBC are covering the shambles in our hospitals.

Oliversmumsarmy · 15/11/2019 19:52

I could not vote for Corbyn.

He has made it quite clear he wants to get rid of my type of business.

Why would I vote for a party which would have me rely on benefits

FelicityFartypants · 15/11/2019 19:52

Really MrOnionsBumperRoller?

I'm sure the disabled and terminally ill might disagree with you. Who exactly is he doing a 'marvellous job' for?

Deathgrip · 15/11/2019 19:54

Breaking news - BJ tells heap of lies in BBC interview... shocker

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-general-election-brexit-party-labour-polls-candidates-a9203921.html

Wonder if he’ll be treated the same way Corbyn would be if he did the same?

(spoiler alert: he won’t).

Unfortunately I just lost a huge reply I was writing to another post, and I need to go and wrangle the children. Will try and rewrite shortly.

Aquilla · 15/11/2019 19:55

Maybe they have a basic understanding of economics, OP?

Monsterinmyshoe · 15/11/2019 19:56

It’s the people who do rely on public services, do use the NHS, do send their kids to state schools yet vote Tory anyway that are so difficult to understand. They vote against their own self-interest, which is crazy.” I agree I find that utterly bewildering! I have a few among my circle who vote Tory, a couple are independently wealthy and plain don’t “get it” but the ones who are disabled, elderly, constantly complaining that the nhs and other services aren’t being funded well but still vote Tory confuse fuck out of me!

Same here. I have family members that are lodging with someone or living with family and both work (one having to work past retirement) and they will probably vote Tory, despite needing decent social housing. One because they think Boris is a bit of a character who will get Brexit done, and the other because that's what The Sun tells him to do. I love them both dearly, but it's both very baffling and depressing in equal measure.

Myothercarisalsoshit · 15/11/2019 20:00

The Tories will let Big Pharma into the NHS.
That will pave the way for an insurance based 'Healthcare' system.
Need an ambulance? Need to attend A&E? Need a painkiller whilst you're there? All this will be billed as it is in the US. $1000 dollars a pop.
Insurance doesn't cover all of it. 700,000 Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills. Many of them have insurance.
Those without insurance simply don't go to the doctor, or dentist.
I think that's really fucking frightening.

BJsHair · 15/11/2019 20:02

I vote Tory and I’m not ashamed of it

FelicityFartypants · 15/11/2019 20:04

BackInTime My MIL is the same. She has seen the NHS care for our DS through 2 lots of cancer treatments. But she believes everything she reads in the Daily Mail. My DS is so angry with her for her gullibility. I've had cross words with her, shown her evidence, but nothing penetrates. It's as if she thinks that by voting Tory she gets her 'middle class' card stamped. She isn't middle class. She's working class, as are we.

We are in a huge Labour stronghold constituency so even if she votes Tory it will make no difference. It's just depressing that she is so entrenched in her views that she will not listen.

Hazardd · 15/11/2019 20:04

Whoo hoo @BJsHair you voted to cut off my DP's medication and your not ashamed gold star Star for you.

I'll send you the invoices from obtaining it from abroad.

Myothercarisalsoshit · 15/11/2019 20:08

Hazardd Sorry your DP has to go through this.
BJsHAir won't care though.

FelicityFartypants · 15/11/2019 20:10

BJsHair

You don't need to be ashamed of it. Just understand what you are voting for. You and your family will have absolutely no safety net in the form of welfare benefits should you ever need them. If you're happy with that then crack on, by all means.

Just out of interest, how would you fare if you or your OH had a stroke tomorrow and couldn't ever return to work again?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/11/2019 20:11

Well it’s certainly not an opinion all NHS staff share

The NHS desperately has to change we are flogging a dead horse it’s crumbling and has been slowly had private companies managing areas for years

But no party is willing to put this forward to the public we could have a better health care system (look to Europe) but it will not be free at point of use for all treatments

HelloCheeky · 15/11/2019 20:11

There is no bloody right or wrong ffs,

Somebody (sorry but lots of WiFi blips and now not sure who posted this)

Of course there is right and wrong !!! We have long left behind an era of relativity when we could afford to say things like this. There is now clear right and wrong in politics. Do you really not CARE?! Or as long as you and your family are ok fuck everyone else?

That is not decent, civilised or British behaviour.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/11/2019 20:12

And people vote for all different reasons

I’m certainly not voting Labour to save the NHS (believe it’s passed that)

motherheroic · 15/11/2019 20:13

People saying 'there's no right or wrong'' as if people's lives and jobs aren't at risk.

Graphista · 15/11/2019 20:15

I’m 47, fair enough if you voted for labour pre new labour but I’ve found many of those stating on mn they are lifelong labour voters are aged 40 or younger.

I’m not old enough to remember in terms of living as an adult under a traditional labour govt but I do remember how it was for my family and others around us, I also well remember living under thatcher and how screwed over that made many vulnerable people, I trained and worked as a nurse under a Tory govt and saw how awful it was then and I’m hearing from ex colleagues who ALSO trained and worked then how much WORSE it is under current lot.

Felicity I agree with much of your post. Most people are one major life event away from being one of “them” that they look down upon, shelter estimates half of all working households in England and Wales are one pay cheque away from homelessness. Life can bite you on the arse!

Aged 30 I was

Working full time in a well paid job with a pension
Fit and healthy
Married
In relatively secure housing

By 35 I was

Unemployed
Disabled & mentally ill
Single mum
Had already been homeless once

Why? Divorce, major car crash (hit by idiot texting), mh the car accident was a “final straw” thing and a lifetime of stressors hit me at once.

Nobody is immune except the EXTREMELY & independently wealthy from the financial impact of such events.

I have to say though that my experience of dwp (and previous incarnations) has never really been that of them wanting to help people, it’s far worse now definitely but it was never an altruistic job.

“I’m old enough to remember the traditional Labour Party in the pre Blair days. That’s what this one is. New Labour was the aberration.” From what I do know of the Labour Party and it’s history from friends and family who are old enough and from my own reading up on them I would agree with this. Makes me laugh when I see comments like “labour are too close to the unions” clearly said/written by people with zero knowledge of the labour party’s origins! Often too with zero knowledge about unions! But then I was raised by 2 former shop stewards!

“it's both very baffling and depressing in equal measure.” Absolutely! Who do they think is making them have shit housing, poor nhs access, having to work longer etc?

“I think that's really fucking frightening.” Yes as a disabled person who will need more care as I age and with a dd with a different disability but facing a similar scenario the possibility of USA style healthcare scares the hell out of me!

JusticeForSandra · 15/11/2019 20:15

People saying 'there's no right or wrong'' as if people's lives and jobs aren't at risk.

which is exactly why I cannot vote labour
but I have to approve the democracy and the freedom of choice.

XingMing · 15/11/2019 20:15

Only BigPharma can develop and test the drugs necessary for an aged, fat population, which is the NHS's real crisis. Stop taking cakes to work.

Wilberforce1 · 15/11/2019 20:18

Tory is best for us and our family, everyone ha to look out for themselves.

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