I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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I’m neither ignorant nor gullible enough to think that far left socialism is going to be better than austerity.

Well said! Labour think they can play people for fools with their trillion-pound splurges that will magically cost nothing...

The Tories are splurging as well. Just refusing to cost their plans which is even worse.

So much for the party with the best economic record 🤦🏻‍♀️

I vote conservative and care deeply for others. But I don’t base my political options on what a newspaper’ tells me.

This was under the thatcher and major years.

As a child I could see that they offered fuck all to people like me.

Luckily, and it was luck, I came through and now earn enough to be comfortable.

Or they offered you the favourable economic conditions necessary to rise from poverty to comfort, the same as they did for millions of other people...

The Lib Dems look OK - to me anyway. I am vascillating between them and Corbyn, however my MP is Labour and he is terrific. Therefore I don't what I'll do.

Remind us how much the Tories are promising @CendrillonSings. And how much they’ve spent on Brexit.

Corbyn is a fucking train wreck, he’s been an utter failure in opposition. I’m voting based on the future not on the past though and here’s why I’m not voting labour (but beyond that I haven’t decided who to vote for):

1. Their (lack of) foreign policy could put our relationship with allies and national security at huge risk at a time when the international order is under serious threat round the world. Diane Abbott, really?! It’s not a risk we can add to the list right now. We’d become a sitting duck for our enemies.

2. They’ll knowingly and wilfully destroy the economy and keep hiking taxes to pay for it, all the time blaming the people that make the economy successful (and created jobs that have allowed us to reach record unemployment) in the first place

3. The risk that Scotland tries to go independent anytime soon would destroy both us and them, no one is talking about this enough and for me this risk is far too great to take

4. they’ll do nothing but stoke hatred and division. Anyone with any degree of wealth creating ability will leave the country (because they can and why shouldn’t they) and they’ll take jobs with them.

5. if you think that labour means “just paying a bit more tax” to help people less fortunate then you’re off your rocker. The value of homes, pensions and investments will plummet. Wages will fall, jobs will be cut, tax receipts will fall, debt will rise. But it’s fine, because we will all have free broadband to fill our time instead.

I’d rather see a strong economy with strong investment in public services and a focus on growth, which in itself will result in higher wages (we would be approaching that cycle soon because employment is so high if nothing changed) and therefore less people in poverty and more people paying tax on rising earnings.

Give me a moderate labour leader and they have my vote (as they have done in the past).

I’m in Scotland... don’t want independence, don’t want brexit, don’t want corbyn & abbott. LibDem and green wasted vote.

No idea what to do

I find it genuinely really strange and confusing that people will continue to vote for the Tories when the UK is CLEARLY in much worse shape than it was when they came into power? The NHS and homelessness for example. Why would anyone want more of a party whose failures have been so great? Its baffling.

I know someone who worked with Boris and said he’s the most self-absorbed and self-interested person he’s ever met, heaven help us all

Yes exactly @gypsywater. I’m no fan of Corbyn but the Tories have lurched from disaster to disaster making the wrong decision every time

I find it genuinely really strange and confusing that people will continue to vote for the Tories when the UK is CLEARLY in much worse shape than it was when they came into power?

Except for the fact that Labour CLEARLY left us on the edge of bankruptcy in 2010 and we are now far from it...

I agree that Boris is a self-interested, pompous arse. But it really is a choice between him and Corbyn - one of them is going to end up in No. 10 - so I choose Boris. Anything else is a wasted vote.

I'm not wild about the Brexit debacle either, but at least the queues for bread will be shorter than those under a Corbyn government.

And you believe this despite the tangible verifiable evidence of the impact of this government’s policies on poverty levels?

That truly is cognitive dissonance in action.

I’m neither ignorant nor gullible enough to think that far left socialism is going to be better than austerity.

Far left? Again, back up what you’re saying - what is far left?

“JC is not fit to govern (members of his own party even say that!), he's a terrorist sympathiser, an anti-Semite and a real loony leftie. I definitely have my priorities, but putting JC and his bonkers cronies in No. 10 aren't among them”

Do you already work for the Daily Mail? If not, I’d send in your CV - you’d fit right in.

Care to substantiate any of that?

I agree that the Guardian’s journalism is poor. Suggest people rely instead on the United Nations’ assessment that the UK Government deliberately and for ideological reasons removed the social security safety net and replaced it with a harsh and uncaring ethos, triggering a massive increase in poverty. It’s ridiculous that a country as wealthy as UK has people regularly using food banks.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-48354692

@CendrillonSings Do you think the country is in better shape now than in 2010? Honestly?

Except for the fact that Labour CLEARLY left us on the edge of bankruptcy in 2010 and we are now far from it...

How very revisionist.

What do you mean by verge of bankruptcy, and far from it? Surely you can’t be referring to national debt as a percentage of GDP...

Do you think the country is in better shape now than in 2010? Honestly?

Of course. Look at what happened to Greece when they continued running an unsustainable deficit. Forget foodbanks - people in Athens were eating out of bins and half their youth either went unemployed or left the country. If you lose control of the deficit, then there’s no money to pay for any public services, including the NHS.

Anyway, who to vote for? I will never vote for a party led by Boris Johnson. He’s been fired more than once for dishonesty, he was a disaster as foreign secretary (and was only given that position to try to stabilise UK by stop him stabbing May in the back, obviously he continued to do so).

Corbyn has some bonkers policies but he also has a lot of integrity. If in power, none of his controversial policies would make it into law, they have to be approved by Parliament etc. Teresa May didn’t exactly manage to fill the country with grammar schools did she?

So for me Labour or lib dem depending who they stand around here - we are a safe Tory seat so unfortunately Labour always stand joke candidates 🙄

@Deathgrip Indeed. I would be genuinely interested to hear reasons why things are better in the UK in 2019 than 2010 and specific ways that the Tories have made a difference in the NINE years they have been in power...

What do you mean by verge of bankruptcy, and far from it? Surely you can’t be referring to national debt as a percentage of GDP...

I’m referring to the annual deficit Labour left in 2010. The only way to have avoided a rise in the national debt would have been much faster and deeper cuts so as to eliminate the deficit in a couple of years.

Would you have been in favour of that?

@CendrillonSings No, I asked specifically do you think it is better in the UK now compared to the UK in 2010?

No, I asked specifically do you think it is better in the UK now compared to the UK in 2010?

Yes, because the country is not running an unsustainable deficit. How much more clearly do you want me to put it?

@CendrillonSings well that was finally clear, unlike your missive about Greece

Look at what happened to Greece when they continued running an unsustainable deficit. Forget foodbanks - people in Athens were eating out of bins and half their youth either went unemployed or left the country. If you lose control of the deficit, then there’s no money to pay for any public services, including the NHS.

Oh the irony. And just after that graph too.