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I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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ilovetofu · 15/11/2019 15:07

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Hisdoeherbuck · 16/11/2019 13:08

Tax is theft. I couldn’t vote Labour because they are socialists

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user1497207191 · 16/11/2019 13:15

It's another misleading piece of information to claim that anyone on £100-£125k is paying a '60% tax'. No they aren't.

Yes, they are - do the sums. They're paying 62% on the portion of their income over £100k. If they are already earning £100k and are offered an extra shift for £1k, taking their total to £101k, they pay tax/nic of £620 on that extra £1k of earnings - that's a marginal tax/nic rate of 62%.

Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 13:16

Tax is theft. OK, what happens to all our public services if no tax is paid. I despair at such stupidity.

user1497207191 · 16/11/2019 13:16

The choice between Boris and Corbyn is like someone giving you two guns and asking you which you'd like to shoot yourself with.

malificent7 · 16/11/2019 13:18

On the other side of the coin property is theft! Grin

Hisdoeherbuck · 16/11/2019 13:19

OK, what happens to all our public services if no tax is paid. I despair at such stupidity.

they become billed for services,

malificent7 · 16/11/2019 13:19

Both extreme views btw and bollocks.

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YouJustDoYou · 16/11/2019 13:29

They are paying 20% of losing half their allowance which places the tax at 10% or loss in earnings at 10%. If someone wants to reduce their hours because they'll pay an extra 10% that is silly

This made me laugh. It's just not true.

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Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 13:58

We need taxes to pay for the NHS, social services etc. Bringing in 300k immigrants a year doesn't help. My vote goes to For Britain

How strange to have two very similar posts on the same thread, the only place I’ve ever seen anyone mention support for For Britain 🤔

At least you stopped short of talking about “brown people” in this one.

Immigrants make a net contribution to the U.K. economy. We also have an ageing population and the running of our country depends on immigration.

thefluffysideofgrey · 16/11/2019 14:02

Who the hell are @forbritain?

Is it just you? @whatsapp10

thefluffysideofgrey · 16/11/2019 14:06

Even Nigel Farage thinks you're a bunch of fuckwit, nazi racists 🤣

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForBritainn_Movement

Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 14:08

The day after Abbott made that error during an interview, Phillip Hammond - the actual chancellor of the exchequer at that time - got a figure wrong by £20bn during a radio interview.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-hammond-hs2-cost-wrong-20bn-radio-interview-highspeed-railway-4-today-programme-election-2017-a7742006.html

And yet no one seems to care, or remember, that this occurred.

Why the double standards?

Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 14:14

Still singing the stereotypical loser’s song of blaming the media for all Labour’s disasters? Here’s a hint: try getting a leader and a policy platform that’s not loaded down with a combination of cowardice, incompetence, and extremism and then it won’t matter what the media says about them!

Biggest load of nonsense you’ve posted yet. Impressive. Of course it matters how the media present politicians, as you repeatedly demonstrate by spouting unsubstantiated crap.

Corbyn has no actual options. None whatsoever. There is no such thing as a “sensible Brexit”, it’s meaningless. And a second referendum will be also meaningless because he will change the threshold in order that a remain win becomes essentially impossible.

I’m impressed with your psychic abilities, given we have no details on what the referendum threshold would be.

By “actual options” I was referring to the fact that people should be able to vote based on the actual options available to us, not on something hypothetical and devoid of detail.

greenlavender · 16/11/2019 14:16

@Pukkatea - apart from the homeless, the mentally ill, the disenfranchised who have been failed by society & don't understand the importance of voting, you're right.

Shitparent19 · 16/11/2019 14:16

@Ringdonna Always vote Tory best for me and my family.

^This is what is wrong with Britain. "I'm alright Jack so sos the rest"

Shakes head in disgust

greenlavender · 16/11/2019 14:19

@JusticeForSandra - you're a firm Remainer & you're voting Tory? Gosh, that's perplexing.

CoolhandLucan · 16/11/2019 14:19

Most people do only care about themselves. It’s why do many people don’t give a toss about climate change, plastics etc. Some people look no further than their Chinese takeaway and few pints at the end of the week.

flowerpowerr · 16/11/2019 14:32

It's another misleading piece of information to claim that anyone on £100-£125k is paying a '60% tax'. No they aren't.

Yes, they are - do the sums. They're paying 62% on the portion of their income over £100k

I just stuck £120,000 into a salary calculator. Overall someone who earns that amount takes home £74,000 (62%) of their total salary - and the remaining £46,000 (38%) goes on tax.

Do we think that's fair or could they pay a bit more?

flowerpowerr · 16/11/2019 14:35

A person earning £30,000 a year takes home 80% of their salary and the remaining 20% goes on tax.

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JenniferM1989 · 16/11/2019 14:44

Someone on £101k a year would be losing £500 from their personal allowance. Meaning that instead of paying nothing on upto £12,500, they pay nothing on up to £12,000. They would then pay 20% of their earnings in tax on £12,000-£50,000, meaning they pay 20% more tax on £500 which is £100 for the year extra. So if we're being really technical here, they aren't paying £620 on that extra £1,000 in tax and NI, they are paying £520 because they are losing the personal allowance which the extra tax is taken off at the basic rate, not the higher rate. Looking at it in a simple way as if to say ok they pay £620 on that extra £1,000 is exactly that, the simple way to look at it. They are paying more tax within the basic rate band though, not the higher rate band. They will pay 20% on their earnings between £12k and £50k. Not an extra 20% on an extra £1,000. So the marginal tax rate is 60% but they are not actually paying or handing over 20% more of their payrise, they are handing over 10%. If you worked out the extra tax they'd pay in a year on £101k it would be £100 so 10% of their earnings above £100k, not 20%. When your personal allowance lowers, the amount of money you pay 20% tax on increases. So if they were on £100k a year, they'd pay £7,500 within the basic rate tax bracket. Once they earn £101k, they pay £7,600 within the basic rate tax bracket. The difference is affected in the basic rate tax band only, not the higher rate as it's the personal allowance that is adjusted, not their higher rate tax band. So you earn an extra £1,000 a year and give £100 more in tax due to your personal allowance dropping by £500

flowerpowerr · 16/11/2019 14:45

Don't forget NI. That adds another 12%

@whatsapp10 the figures I quoted include NI.

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