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I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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ilovetofu · 15/11/2019 15:07

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caranconnor · 16/11/2019 11:51

@mayborn It is not Corbyn's role to do that. I don't think you understand how Government works.
And the criticisms of Theresa May was she did not work with her own cabinet ministers around getting a Brexit deal.

Mayborn · 16/11/2019 11:53

I don't think you understand how Government works

I have an undergrad and two masters degrees in political economy. DFOD.

Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 11:53

Child benefit isn’t a tax. It’s a means tested benefit. The clue’s in the name. It just happens that the means test is done via HMRC.

Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 11:58

The only reason you’d have to pay back child benefit through your tax return is if you’ve claimed it to get the additional benefits, but you earn over the threshold so have to pay it back. It’s not a tax.

flowerpowerr · 16/11/2019 12:02

Why is the Jewish Chronicle calling for British Jews to not vote Labour? Because the Jewish community is traditionally conservative.

@JimmyGrimble do you accept that there is a deeply worrying issue with anti-semitism within the Labour party that warrants a formal investigation by the EHRC or not?

ReanimatedSGB · 16/11/2019 12:15

Only a couple of weeks ago, people were wringing their hands about how the gammons would riot and the world would end if we weren't out of the EU by Halloween. Erm, didn't happen. OK, so there is a relatively small group of poxy little thugs like Yaxley Lennon and his mates who attempted to kick off, but the majority of 'ordinary' people still stupid enough to be in favour of Brexit-at-any-cost aren't terribly rioty. Most of them are keyboard heroes and pub whiners. The wealthy, powerful pro-Brexit crooks aren't into street violence themselves, of course: they rely on propaganda.
(Mind you, for all this Corbyn-is-a-worse-human-being-than-Johnson, don't forget it wasn't Corbyn who was recorded arranging a physical assault on a journalist to avenge a crooked friend...)

Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 12:16

Corbyn is in a no-win situation with his stance on Brexit. Apparently it’s fine for Swinson to say they’d revoke and Johnson to state he will push Brexit through regardless of the implications. But the one party leader who thinks that people have the right to a say on the actual options available rather than a hypothetical concept is the one who’s a “loser”?

The media bias is absolutely shocking and I’m amazed how many people take headlines at face value without considering what’s behind them.

How can anyone deny it? How can anyone deny that this smear campaign has affected their views?

This comparison is a strong example - and here’s the links in case anyone thinks it’s fake...

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1199992/boris-johnson-conservative-party-general-election-minimum-wage-raise-sajid-javid

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1183556/labour-party-general-election-policy-jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-minimum-wage

I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.
CendrillonSings · 16/11/2019 12:18

Labour has a sensible Brexit policy? Their only policy has been to sit on the fence for 3 years, which they are now continuing with their ludicrous plan to negotiate a new deal and then campaign against their own deal in a referendum. Months and months of more bitter division and uncertainty. Even EU officials are reported to be in despair at Labour’s incompetence.

The only reason Labour is pursuing this policy is to fool as many Leavers and Remainers as possible into believing that Labour is on their side at the same time. Well, the public isn’t quite that stupid, I’m afraid!

CendrillonSings · 16/11/2019 12:21

The media bias is absolutely shocking and I’m amazed how many people take headlines at face value without considering what’s behind them.

Still singing the stereotypical loser’s song of blaming the media for all Labour’s disasters? Here’s a hint: try getting a leader and a policy platform that’s not loaded down with a combination of cowardice, incompetence, and extremism and then it won’t matter what the media says about them!

malificent7 · 16/11/2019 12:22

As others have said, it's easy to be aspirational if you have the means. In bygone days people were proud if their kids became teachers or nurses...it was seen as aspirational. Nowadays people look down on such professions as they dont earn enough and show off about their dc who are managers , analysts or who work in the city. It's an attitude shift as people see personal wealth as a key to happiness rather than strong communities...this shift to grasping greed has fucked the planet and our communities and we are all complicit...including myself.

NameChangeNugget · 16/11/2019 12:23

Free Broadband, Netflix and Sky......

Who believes this shit? Biscuit

As an ex-Labour voter, I’m appalled at what the party has become. Corbyn is worse than Michael Foot was.

If only David had been selected rather than Ed, things would have been so different

caranconnor · 16/11/2019 12:26

You wouldn't get free netflix and sky.
I am not a Corby supporter but free broadband makes sense. We have some of the slowest internet in Europe and that affects our business competitiveness. The free market is not delivering.

Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 12:27

That’s an excellent point @malificent7. My dad used to say that too. When he was growing up teaching was an impossible dream in his north east mining community.

Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 12:29

Free Broadband, Netflix and Sky......

Who believes this shit?

Indeed. Who does believe that’s Labour policy? No one with any sense.

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Deathgrip · 16/11/2019 12:34

State controlled and censored internet paid for by the tax payer. What a wonderful idea!

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Do you understand the difference between broadband and internet?

zafferana · 16/11/2019 12:34

Cameron was far more concerned about losing tory voters to UKIP than the impact on the country.

This is true, but don't forget that DC didn't want to have a referendum. He wanted a renegotiation of Britain's membership of the EU and he went to Brussels asking for one, on the basis that if they rejected his request then he would be forced to put the issue to a referendum. If the EU had agreed then there wouldn't have been a referendum at all!

zafferana · 16/11/2019 12:38

We are the 5th most populous country

In the world? No we aren't, we're 21st.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations)

Mayborn · 16/11/2019 12:38

Deathgrip Corbyn has no actual options. None whatsoever. There is no such thing as a “sensible Brexit”, it’s meaningless. And a second referendum will be also meaningless because he will change the threshold in order that a remain win becomes essentially impossible.

caranconnor · 16/11/2019 12:40

@deathgrip Nope obviously not.
Aaagghh state controlled roads deciding what car I should drive!!

Dusty01 · 16/11/2019 12:44

Boris doesn’t just not give a fig about ordinary working people, he also can’t string more than 2 words together. He seems unable to frame or articulate his thoughts- if he actually does have any.

Why oh why does anyone thinks this man is a good leader?

CendrillonSings · 16/11/2019 12:47

Why oh why does anyone thinks this man is a good leader

Because he’s not a stupid socialist? That’s why his leadership ratings are 40 points above Corbyn’s.

zafferana · 16/11/2019 12:54

I don't think Boris IS a good leader, but he's better than the alternative.

JenniferM1989 · 16/11/2019 13:00

Someone on £120k for example, will lose £10k of their personal allowance but it means an extra tax of £2k which isn't 20% of £20k, it's 10%. You lose £1 of allowance for every £2 earned which technically works out at an extra tax of 10%. Just because you pay a tax of 20% doesn't mean you are paying an extra 20%. It's another misleading piece of information to claim that anyone on £100-£125k is paying a '60% tax'. No they aren't. They are paying 20% of losing half their allowance which places the tax at 10% or loss in earnings at 10%. If someone wants to reduce their hours because they'll pay an extra 10% that is silly

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