I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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Why people don’t vote labour - Corbyn, Abbott, McDonell, and the sinister Milne who actually controls everything lurking in the background

Why are they not voting Labour? Who knows? Maybe that's a question the Labour Party needs to ask itself.

For one, because they're not stupid, they don't trust Jezbollah and can see that McDonnell with his Mao's little red book is sinister and Diane Abott with her 10,000 police officers is an absolute fool.

Secondly, they have some self-dignity and don't appreciate the sneery attitude the Labour Party has towards the working class, Brexit voters, or anyone outside the Westminster bubble/ middle-class champagne socialist circle.

Also, there is strong evidence to suggest there is more antisemitism in the Conservative party than the Labour Party. But I suppose you’ve not fact checked that either.

Can you link to or give examples of this strong evidence please?

And if this is the case, how come the Tories aren’t being investigated by the EHRC while Labour are, and why is the Jewish Chronicle urging people not to vote Labour? Why aren’t they imploring them not to vote Tory either?

www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/to-all-our-fellow-british-citizens-1.491812

Any rise is tax leads to rises in costs

It’s not as simple as well you will pay £10 more or 2p more and that will go to the NHS

Money business will lose they shall get back elsewhere people have less money they spend less spending less leads to business tightening belts and so on

I’m not against slight tax rises but that it is the simple answer to sorting out the NHS, more money to pay teachers and so on

Momentum, Corbyn and MacDonnell - far far Left policies that's why people don't want to vote Labour.

Also, there is strong evidence to suggest there is more antisemitism in the Conservative party than the Labour Party. But I suppose you’ve not fact checked that either.

Where’s the evidence? The Tory party are not sitting around enabling anti semitism which labour are. No Jewish Tory Mp’s are being hounded whilst the party looks on doing nothing. As a leader Boris has not done anything to suggest he’s anti Semitic. As mayor he was openly supportive of the Jewish community. As a British Jew I can categorically tell you that there is no major problem with anti semitism in the Tory party.

I’m sure there are individuals in the party who are anti Semitic, there are everywhere, but Cameron, May and yes, even Boris for all his faults are friends of the Jewish community.

Owlsintowels

Do you actually believe Labours policies would only cost £10 per month?

Just the Free Broadband even on their own figures would cost around £1.27 per month of that £10. But I am not sure their figures are to be believed.

£10 per month from everyone regardless of their age and income would bring in only £660million.

The rail industry alone would cost in the billions to buy back and privatise

The only way the figures could add up is if the country is going to be turned into a communist dictatorship where the government just takes over with no recourse to owners/shareholders/pensions etc

Either that or they need to buy a new calculator

Voting Tory would save us a few tenners a month, and push thousands more children into poverty

But why would I vote Labour when they have made it perfectly clear they would close down my business.

Would you be quite so keen to vote Labour if Jeremy Corbyn made it clear that yours or your husbands job would be got rid of if they came to power

It is all very well saying you are quite happy to throw a tenner in the pot every month but not everyone (even those on £82k per year) can be quite so blasé with their money.

“Why people don’t vote labour - Corbyn, Abbott, McDonell, and the sinister Milne who actually controls everything lurking in the background.”
Check out the Tory front bench, led by Alexander “Er, um, Er, um, 5 kids?” Johnson. All promoted way above their pay grade. And if Milne is sinister, what the F is Cummings?

But why would I vote Labour when they have made it perfectly clear they would close down my business.

I’m sorry if I missed it but I asked previously why you believe this? What sort of business do you have? I haven’t seen Corbyn making it clear he’d close down any type of business.

Btw, McDonnell is undoubtedly one of the cleverest politicians in parliament, and is respected almost universally, regardless of political stance.

@flowerpowerr gladly

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties

oliversmumsarmy
The tories have a long and proud tradition of anti-semitism. Look at Churchill. You sound a bit hysterical to be honest. Why on earth would Jeremy Corbyn want to take your business away?

Honestly with some of the crap spouted on here it’s like no one has ever used google.

It is all very well saying you are quite happy to throw a tenner in the pot every month but not everyone (even those on £82k per year) can be quite so blasé with their money

Oh come on. If you’re on £82k a year and can’t afford an extra tenner a month something is seriously amiss!

I don’t earn half that and my tax went up a few quid (Scotland) and didn’t end up destitute

People do realise that there will still be Brexit under labour right? They’re not a remain party and chances are they’d want a 2/3 majority to remain in a referendum. Which is a double whammy because any businesses who were already thinking about moving some of their jobs and operations will just be incentivised to accelerate their plans of labour get in. Add to that the threat of Scottish independence and you potentially have the worst possible outcome for the country.

The issue I have with labour and anti-Semitism is the complete denial about it from Corbyn obsessives. I've seen posters on MN in just the past few days lecturing anybody not wanting to vote labour as the baddies, whilst tying themselves in knots to deny blatant anti-Semitism is in fact anti-Semitism. Apparently calling a Jewish colleague a Shylock isn't and nor is accusing Jews of using the blood of Christian children to bake their bread. Also British Jews have nothing to worry about because it's not as if Corbyn is 'homicidal' or anything. As if the baseline for being concerned about racism should be not actually being murdered. I'm not voting for any party that has built such an obsessive cult of worship around their leader that easily provable facts are dismissed as smears. And if they deny it exists I don't see how they will ever address or deal with it.

Why is everyone so caught up on the antisemitism but not at all concerned about the actual evidence of our current PM’s racism, sexism, homophobic stance...? Is this not as important?

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-record-sexist-homophobic-and-racist-comments-bumboys-piccaninnies-2019-6

well yes, that's true that we can pay more tax - I'd rather pay it directly for NHS and education funding than the raft of nonsense nationalisations. Tax rises will quickly affect charitable giving I'm sure.

The higher the taxes, the more evasion, (see Belgium and Italy) and the more you create bad incentives and market frictions, and then the tax rises will trickle down lower and lower.

Scotland is a good example - everyone on more than £30,000 was affected and that's more like it, more honest than labour's promises.

The rail industry alone would cost in the billions to buy back and privatise

Where do you get these lies?

The state already owns and pays to maintain the rail network and stations. Each train franchise is on a fixed term contract and could simply not be renewed.

The only cost would be buying up train stock. And then the government would have a valuable money-making asset, and without factoring in profits the transport itself could be more affordable. It’s not just paying out money and getting nothing back.

Amusingly, most of the trains / train franchise in the U.K. are state owned... it’s just other EU states that own them!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trains-uk-railways-renationalise-countries-operators-companies-a9058961.html

I'll be voting Tory. All the ludicrous ideas Corbyn is coming up with. SMP for a full year, free broadband etc. Where on earth is that money supposed to come from? He will cause another recession.

JimmyGrimble

Labour want to decimate the rental sector so why would I continue.

Certainly not hysterical.

Just lived through the 70s under a Labour government and whilst Blair was more centre left, Corbyn who was around at the time and I think wants to have another go and recreate the mess.

Why would anyone want to renationalise the rail industry.

It might not be perfect but it is a damn site better than how the nationalised British Rail was.

we have evidence that Boris Johnson has said silly things, but we don't have evidence of institutional racism as we do with labour - I watched the panorama, what was most terrifying is it wasn't centred on one person, it was a collective mindset.

So racist and homophobic comments are just “silly things” are they?

The man is utterly unfit for public office. Whataboutery re JC doesn’t change that

@treepolitics silly things?? Are you actually kidding? And of course there’s racism in the Conservative party, you’d have to be incredibly narrow minded to think otherwise. Please see my post above.

The tories have a long and proud tradition of anti-semitism. Look at Churchill.

Churchill was around 70 years ago. I’m more interested in what’s happening now.

@flowerpowerr gladly

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties

Sorry, but in no shape or form is that “strong evidence” of there being more anti-semitism within the Tory party than the Labour Party. Even the report itself concludes this:

“we should avoid drawing too many firm conclusions from just one study. It’s possible that this report underestimates the true extent of antisemitism in the UK because people are often reluctant to own up to views they think are unacceptable in wider society.”

I ask you again - how come the Tories aren’t being investigated by the EHRC while Labour are, and why is the Jewish Chronicle urging people not to vote Labour? Why aren’t they imploring them not to vote Tory either?