I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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And here’s another question.

Does anyone know any wealth creators or serious employers who are not making contingencies for a Corbyn led government, either here or abroad (and mostly abroad)? I know several, none are planning to stay, they all have other options available to them.

Maybon Sorry, cut in right at the end, tho a grasp of narrative doesn't seem to be a prereq right now...😉

Frankly, those with sufficient wealth and liquidity can yes, feck off. However, I think we all now know what a crock 'trickle down economics' was. Any who witnessed all boats lifting on a rising tide?

Nope. Those in a position to 'offshore' won't be missed. They have (been permitted to) polluted our government, and casino'ed our housing market.

They really, really haven't contributed more than the tiniest amount, relatively, to our economy (or socially), the cash that which they just could not hide.

They will be surprisingly un-missed.

Their departure, to pollute someone else's country, will not, really, be noticed, apart from the fire sale of London apartments.

Yes I would be happy to pay more tax.

Oh, and all this 'boohoo, if we actually make large corporations pay tax, they will all leave.' *Where the fuck will they go? Every other country's corporation tax is higher.

Also, if you have a small business and can only operate by paying your employees less than enough to live on... your business is badly managed and the sooner it fails, the better.

@ReanimatedSGB - it’s not true at all that every other country’s tax is higher. It’s not.

Free broadband for everyone! Errrm yeh whatever. Nothing is free in life, you have to work for it. Corbyn and his bunch of halfwit lapdogs will ruin this country. Vote Tory

What a well reasoned argument @123Pandora sarcasm emoji

www.wired.co.uk/article/labour-party-free-broadband

And @Mayborn will there be any 'wealth creators' left? They're already running away from the whole Brexit bullshit, how come that doesn't bother you. Anyway, there's zero proof that this would actually happen, corporations aren't going to stop selling to us or employing people. As long as there's profit to be made, even if its smaller, they'll still want to operate. And say they don't? So what, any gaps in the market can soon be filled by smaller/uk based entrepreneurs.
Katie Hopkins has said she'll leave the country if labour get in, that alone is a good enough reason for me to vote labour.

@ReanimatedSGB I agree with this. If you runa business and can't pay your staff a living wage you either need to reduce your staff until you can, or do it yourself. Cut your cloth accordingly.

Corbyn seems to be offering free unicorns for everyone but the cost is going to be paid for by rich wizards who pay for most of the country already but are eying up that tax haven if corbyn takes the piss too much with tax. I don't believe in brexit but this constant unknown is what is ripping up the country. Lib dems aren't strong enough to reverse that decision so the only party left are tory. I'd rather they get a majority and get brexit through so we can start living again. I've certainly no wish for renationalisation of every company so the country can be held to ransom by strikes like it was in the 70s. The threat of the labour backed royal mail strike during the busiest period for their customers with the added cherry of affecting people's democratic right to vote shows me that Labour doesn't care about the many, only the few.

Free broadband says it all really the offer of another freebie.

that article you've linked from the independent related to falling line expectancy in Scotland, who are pretty independent (and more left-wing) than the rest of the UK......

If you could be bothered to turn to google for yourself, you’d find that the U.K. as a whole now has the poorest performing female life expectancy rates for women out of the top 20 world leading economies.

We are 19th for men... only America is worse.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45096074

Do research PFI which the Labour Party went into in a big way It meant hospitals and schools were built on the never never loaned by private companies which demanded extortionate amounts back and closed the wards that were built and crippled some schools. But it kept it off the government books for a while. I'm not sure if you remember Iraq and the lies that took us into the 2nd invasion? Or who introduced university fees? I am not voting for them since they can't clear out their antisemitic stable and I'm not keen on any party like the LibDems who are happy to ignore women's rights and safety. And I agree about the sheer ignorance of the Tories about the impact of some of their policies. So which way should I vote

New Labour were nothing like the current Labour Party. They were so popular because they were centre right.

People are going to fucking food banks and Labour want to spend billions not on getting rid of the welfare cuts but on giving people free broadband. Why the hell - HOW the hell - could anyone vote for them?

I knew the response to this policy would be like this, but actually it’s a very sensible move. The inequality caused by lack of digital access is growing every year. I worked on various digital projects for the NHS this year, such as changing local maternity services to self-referral via online form. The number of people without internet access is quite staggering, and they’re the ones who are already vulnerable. Universal Credit has to be managed online. Medical records are going online. Children in school are expected to have internet access to complete their work. Have a look at the work this charity is doing:
www.goodthingsfoundation.org/bridging-the-digital-divide

And who says Labour are prioritising this over sorting out benefits? Seems to me they have a plan there too...
labour.org.uk/press/corbyn-labour-will-scrap-universal-credit-immediately-lift-300000-children-poverty/

Are you deliberately misrepresenting the truth or are you just not reading up on what their policies actually are?

Yeah but sadly some folks will believe it, either because of desperation, resentment about their lives, or a lack of understanding of the economy and how laws are made. So they will believe it and vote for these idiots.

Baroness Warsi has quite a lot to say about institutional racism too. Do you condemn that also? It is not anti Semitic to protest the actions of Israel in its occupation of the West Bank and its treatment of Palestinians.

Of course I condemn that too. But as it stands the Labour Party is the only party currently being formally investigated for institutional racism.

And do you honestly believe that protesting against the actions of Israel is all this boils down to? Honestly?!

I'd rather they get a majority and get brexit through so we can start living again.
If you think getting Brexit through is the end of matters and the start of us living again, you’re mistaken. Brexit going through will just be the start of decades of instability and uncertainty.

I've certainly no wish for renationalisation of every company so the country can be held to ransom by strikes like it was in the 70s.

Corbyn is obviously not advocating for the renationalisation of every company.

But you’re quite happy to live in a country where large corporations exploit their employees and hold us to ransom by threatening to leave the country if they have to pay a marginal corporation tax increase?

There are unions now. Public sector workers strike when the government is treating them poorly. What do you think will happen when we are cash strapped after a Tory Brexit? When BJ agrees to US pharmaceutical deals on the NHS to secure trade deals with America?

It’s the people who do rely on public services, do use the NHS, do send their kids to state schools yet vote Tory anyway that are so difficult to understand. They vote against their own self-interest, which is crazy.” I agree I find that utterly bewildering! I have a few among my circle who vote Tory, a couple are independently wealthy and plain don’t “get it” but the ones who are disabled, elderly, constantly complaining that the nhs and other services aren’t being funded well but still vote Tory confuse fuck out of me!
Statistically this is about 46% (and rising) of voters in the C2DE economic bracket. I'm not sure why, but they are the reason why the Tories will probably get back in. Not the 'super rich' voting to get richer. Why are they not voting Labour? Who knows? Maybe that's a question the Labour Party needs to ask itself.

I've certainly no wish for renationalisation of every company so the country can be held to ransom by strikes like it was in the 70s.

As I said on another thread, if we stay in the EU then I don’t see how Corbyn can renationalise. I thought it was against EU regs?

@Oliversmumsarmy you know that increasing the basic rate tax from 20% to 33% won't cost you 13% of your income right?
The tax free allowance is over, £10K, so you will only pay the extra on everything over £10K. So by the time it starts being a significant amount of your income then you're in the higher tax bracket anyway

Regardless of the above, labour's manifesto would cost people earning £82k an extra £10 per month. Do you think purple earning that much can't afford an extra tenner a month to pump lots more money into the economy?
My DH earns that and he'll happily pay. I earn not far off, I'll happily pay too.
Voting Tory would save us a few tenners a month, and push thousands more children into poverty.

I know where I'd rather my tenner goes. Towards supporting low income people, the NHS, paying decent welfare for disabled people. Or into my new lipstick fund... Hmmmm, difficult choice. Not.

@Mayborn
I’m a “wealth creator”. It’s a meaningless term really. Though I always find the threat of these rich wealth creators upping sticks if forced to bank only 90k profit rather than 100k or whatever. Do they love their country that much? And where are they going to “run away” too exactly? The EU?I’d be more worried about the giant corporations fleeing because of Brexit if I were you.

Hond, Ford, Barclays, Dyson, Lyons, Jaguar, British Steel, HSBC, Airbus, Panasonic, MoneyGram, UBS, P&O, AXA, Toyota, 20 more I can’t be bothered to list...

All leaving and/or seriously cutting jobs/operations because of Brexit and a PM who says “Fuck Business”. And you’re seriously worried about a Labour government hopeful,y keeping us in the EU with a few percent extra income tax on high earners to pay for desperately underfunded public services?

For @sweetiepy and anyone else who has clearly spent the last few years with their heads buried in the Daily Mail or some other shite.

Do some bloody research before making yourself look like a twat.

Oh and my personal belief, despite deep hatred of our current government, is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with voting for your own needs and priorities.

That’s fine, people who vote Tory had better hope that through no fault of their own their priorities don’t change. That they don’t become so sick they can’t work, that they don’t have a disabled child they can’t get proper support for in school.

*NHS waiting times the worst they have ever been.
National debt has doubled since 2010.
Councils going bankrupt.

From the party that claim to know how to handle the economy!*

Yes this. And as they’re always telling us we’re one of the biggest economies in the world. Why aren’t we rolling in cash?

I find all the far left political shaming over voting Tory and pressure to vote for otherwise actually quite facist.

This.

Probably worth noting that Michael Gove described the Good Friday Agreement as a “denial of our national integrity” whilst Jeremy Corbyn was actually considered quite vital in getting it voted through. He was even awarded the Sean MacBride peace prize.

It’s not that hard to find this information, and it’s very well documented.

A lot of the major newspapers are run by billionaires who keep all their money offshore (very representative of the normal UK citizen) and they do not want a labour government so they never print this stuff.

You look like a right plonker when you call JC a terrorist sympathiser.

Also, there is strong evidence to suggest there is more antisemitism in the Conservative party than the Labour Party. But I suppose you’ve not fact checked that either.