I honestly don't understand why anyone who cares about anyone other than themselves would vote Tory.

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Because labour doesn't have a magic-fix-all wand that people.seem to somehow believe they have?

Fair enough Bluntness100

So crack on and tell us why if you're happy to 'stand up and say it'

How will the Tory party make life better for everyone in the UK? Tell me exactly how.

And that includes the poor, the disabled, the disenfranchised, those working on minimum wage, those working in the NHS, and pensioners?

How are Labour going to help us NHS workers

Oh yes that’s right maybe we shall be able to work the 4 day 9-5 week

@FelicityFartypants Corbyn will absolutely cripple us, my husband runs a small business and we do ok but bring Corbyn in and we will be finished. I don't want to vote Tory either but wtf are we meant to do?

It genuinely scares me and I'd like to leave this whole shit show of a country.

I'll vote labour in a marginal tory/labour constituency. Previous labour mp was excellent but lost to tory candidate in 2017 by 900 votes probably because of the brexit effect and a chronically inept labour council.

Don't doubt corbyn's integrity but he's too divisive a character to attract home county voters and too indecisive re brexit to appeal to northern leavers so they haven't a cat in hells chance of winning. This may be a blessing in disguise. The tories really need to own brexit, it's predominantly a right wing construct and their mess to clear up. The economic shitshow caused by brexit will curtail all their spending plans and the country will continue to decline. In the meantime hopefully the labour party can rebuild and become a decent opposition party again with a leader who can truly take the tories to task

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/11/jeremy-corbyn-like-donald-trump-not-boris-johnson/601957/

From the moderate left journal The Atlantic. Interesting read.

Corbyn is from the 70s era and wants us to return there whilst leaving the bill at the door of the rich

The world has moved on from the 1970s.

The tax rate under thatcher was very very high 🤷🏻‍♀️ People don’t bang on about that do they.

Agree with OP. I’m a high earner, and I don’t disagree per se with all right of centre ideology. However, the British Conservative Party is just too nasty for me to ever consider a vote. For example, the way they make the already disadvantaged - those on lose incomes and the disabled for instance, bare the costs of austerity. And the sneering attitude they often display to those they consider below them. I can totally understand there are valid reasons why someone would not wish to vote Labour... but I just can’t understand how nice, decent people vote Tory. I know they do, but I just don’t know how they square it with themselves morally.

Bluntness so how does brexit fit in with caring about the country's
interests ? Most economic experts predict it will be a disaster yet the tories are happy to drive us off the edge of a cliff... How does that represent good economic stewardship ?

Corbyn will absolutely cripple us, my husband runs a small business and we do ok but bring Corbyn in and we will be finished. I don't want to vote Tory either but wtf are we meant to do?

Why do you believe this? I’m genuinely interested. Which policies do you think will kill his business?

We have our own business so an increase in corporation tax will reduce our net income .. I’m still voting Labour - I would rather pay more taxes and live in a country where everyone can afford a dignified life with available healthcare and good quality education. I don’t want to be rich and step over ‘poor’ people when I go into town, or avoid certain deprived areas or have to pay for private schooling so my precious darlings don’t have to mix with the underclass. People who vote for Boris are not traditional business-minded, one nation Tories - this gov is something else entirely - and I do find it hard to get my head around why anyone would vote for them.

@Mominatrix
Some of the parallels are a big stretch. But I can support the concluding sentence: Johnson is the establishment personified: more of the same, more inequality, real living standards continually to fall for the majority. A Corbyn led Labour government, by contrast, is the vehicle for picking a fight with said establishment (and hence he is here, arguably, like Trump in a sense, though where Trump would shrug his shoulders at his populism leading to greater wealth disparity, Corbyn would see that as a very funny kind of antiestablishment stance).

Re small businesses, Brexit is going to cripple the economy in the shirt to medium term, and those with small businesses will be among the worst affected: people will have less money to spend and goods will cost more. Voting Labour is your only route out of that future. A few extra percent income tax on high earners to escape such a fate will be the thing of your dreams come, say, 2020.

Don't forget: Brexit is a heist and always was. It's never been about 'taking back control' or any of the other bullshit peddled by the Leave campaign. It was always about getting out of the EU before the EU clamped down on tax dodging by the super-rich. That's why there has never been a coherent plan for leaving the EU: the people driving it know that they are wealthy enough to ride out the chaos and what happens to everyone else is simply irrelevant.

We too would pay more corporation tax under Labour and I’m more than happy to pay it to a government committed to funding services properly.

I’ve seen people call Corbyn a hypocrite because he’s a high earner which is frankly bizarre. The policies he’s pushing would leave him financially worse off, for the good of the country.

How many policies that aren’t personally good for Boris Johnson do you think we’ll see from the tories? They’re the hypocrites - putting the brunt of austerity on to the most vulnerable while they’re better off than ever.

The tax rate under thatcher was very very high 🤷🏻‍♀️ People don’t bang on about that do they.

Because it’s an ignorant point to make. Thatcher inherited stratospheric taxation levels from Labour, but cutting them down to size was the work of several years. They were much lower once she finished, however, and now the idiot Corbyn wants to jack them back up again!

cam77 indeed. When he says ‘Get Brexit Done’ he means, after taking a pathetically watered down version of May’s deal he’s going to get all confrontational so he can engineer the hard Brexit him and his pals want so badly.
And then the shit really hits the fan. Got a small business? I’d be making contingency plans. Or you could be really daft and vote for the mendacious fuckers.

Tory voters - how much do you trust Boris? I know you don’t trust Corbyn, but that’s another question.

I honestly can’t understand how anyone can vote Labour, given the association with anti-semitism. Does it not matter to them that Labour is under formal investigation by the EHRC for institutional racism? The only other party who’s had that is the BNP! What is happening to people - are they really that brainwashed? Or do they just not care? I find it so upsetting and disturbing. What on earth has this country become? It’s frightening.

I used to be absolutely clear on which party I was voting for. Now none of them appeal at all.

flowerpowerr Baroness Warsi has quite a lot to say about institutional racism too. Do you condemn that also? It is not anti Semitic to protest the actions of Israel in its occupation of the West Bank and its treatment of Palestinians.

And the nauseating wankstain Yaxley Lennon has been bawling that he supports Johnson now. OK, you could argue that the opinions of a thuggish racist conman are not all that relevant... but then again, like calls to like and all that.

(If you're going to ask me which thuggish, racist conman is which, though...)

YANBU

YANBU. I don’t get it either.

Yes lets throw more money at the NHS but will it improve anything?.

Not so long ago the works mamager at the local hospital had some contractors in, private sector ones, to do some installation work.

Asking him why his own workforce weren't doing the work said that they had to tender for the job and their hourley rate was some ten pounds higher than the contractors.

So private ones in doing the job and the works ones?.

Sitting around on full pay doing nothing but being paid at their usuall wage/salery for doing nothing!.

One dept up there needed a door lock changing with all the bearucracy that was involved with the job cost a whopping £1600 pounds.It should have cost no more that around 150 quid.

We quoted for a small job there which should havbe cost around a 100 to do, they had to allow a cost of 500 and I was told to make the invoice out to that ammount if i wanted to.

I didnt as i couldnt be so dishonest.

Want to hear about the local council we supplied some equipment to?, the equipment was found in a skip around a year later, no one had even opended the packing let alone used it:(