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Women shouldn’t have careers...

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Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 14:19

Controversial title but hear me out.

Since I was a child I was always pushed to do well academically. My parents invested a lot in my education (financially and time wise) in the hope that I could have a good career & standard of living. My mother told me that she always resented being a SAHM and wanted her daughters to be working and independent. She told me how her mother refused to take on paid childcare when she asked her to retire early but she said she would help her daughters so that their lives would be different, especially as unlike her, her daughters had gone into higher education.

I’m now in a position where I have a great career but it involves working long hours. I’m on maternity leave and find myself pregnant again. I plan to go back for a few months before my next mat leave in order to stay on top of things. As I think about how I will manage I do feel quite stressed.

I have an hour long commute (there are no local jobs in my area) and I work with young, (mostly) single, childless people who have no lives outside of work. The expectation is that everyone puts in long hours. I don’t really want further profession and responsibility at this stage but I don’t want to be taking the piss either (which is what they would see doing 9-5 as)

I’m trying to figure out childcare. I think a nanny would be best although finding someone who will do a fixed term contract is tricky. My husband is against the idea because he thinks it’s throwing money down the drain. It’s a lot of money but I feel like it’s worth it to maintain my career in the long run. His job is very pressurised as well. He wants us to use a childminder. I know that would mean extra stress for me as I would have to try to rush back to do pick ups, laundry, meals etc.

I was talking to my mum about going back to work and she started trying to put me off and told me that I should become a SAHM or take an extended career break (which she knows is career suicide).I felt really upset that after everything she had dreamed off for me, that she would say that.

Most of the women I know who have demanding careers have had a lot of support from their families. I know however that there are so many of you on here who manage with paid childcare, but my mum keeps making me doubt that it’s possible. If you are one those, please tell me it’s possible?

I really love my job. It was a huge part of my life for 10 years and I feel like my family don’t value it.

I’m starting to feel like women can’t have ‘careers’ and only suit having ‘jobs’. Plenty of people seem to manage somehow doing part time 9-5 jobs.

Was it a silly idea to put so much into my education and end up in this sort of career? I feel like all my hard work will end up just being a waste of time.

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FreeButtonBee · 14/11/2019 14:57

Get a nanny. Honestly it's money well spent and will probably save your marriage, partic if your husband is already being a bit of dick about pulling his weight...

fedup21 · 14/11/2019 14:58

Plenty of people seem to manage somehow doing part time 9-5 jobs.

What do you mean ?

Jaxhog · 14/11/2019 15:01

What you really mean is that MOTHERS shouldn't have careers! There should be absolutely no issue with women without children at home having a career.

I believe that mothers (and fathers) need to make a choice. Unless you are well-off (or have great family help) it is always going to be more difficult to have a career as well as children. However, it should be BOTH the mother and father who take a career hit. Or at least I'd like to think so today.

Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 15:02

@Freewanderer Good to know someone else in the same position. The few people I know with small age gaps are SAHM or have a less demanding work life.

@HildaSnibbs good way to put it

@Anotherlongdrive
I did think my mum would help based on what she said to me before I had a baby. I guess the real issue is I thought even if she didn’t help she would encourage me to work with paid help. She normally gives good advice. I feel really disheartened that she’s not saying to forget it all.

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Jaxhog · 14/11/2019 15:04

I'd also add that there is more to education than getting a high flying career. Education is also about expanding your mind with new knowledge, so it is rarely wasted.

Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 15:05

@Fridaysgirl that’s so great to know

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PleasePassTheCoffeeThanks · 14/11/2019 15:06

Find a good nanny and it will all run smoothly.
We had ours 8am-7pm, she did everything child related:

  • food shopping/cooking includong freezing meals to feed them at the weekends
  • clothes shopping, sorting out overgrown clothes, selling 2nd hand/taking to charity
  • tidying up after them, making beds etc, their laundry
  • sorting out gifts/cards when invited to parties
  • organizing parties
  • packing for holidays

Just add a cleaner and all your time off work can be spent enjoying your family Smile

Curtainly · 14/11/2019 15:07

The issue is your husband. A lot of childminders offer hours between 0800 and 1800 which is fine for a full time job, as long as you can work standard-ish hours (ie not shifts). They tend to be cheaper than nurseries, but as long as you find one which suits you, can be better for flexibility. Also in terms of housework, he is an adult that also lives in the house, it would honestly be a deal-breaker for me if I ended maternity leave and was still expected to do everything around the house or give up my career. I am a bit astounded though that this wasn't thought of beyond 'my mum will probably help' before you decided to have a second.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 14/11/2019 15:07

Unfortunately careers and involved parenting don’t mix regardless of sex. Your children need someone around, if neither of you can sacrifice your careers (for whatever reason) that’s fair enough but you need to hire a nanny.

GrumpyHoonMain · 14/11/2019 15:12

Your DH is the problem not your mum. He needs to be facilitating you being able to work, not making you the cheapest childcare option.

afternoonspray · 14/11/2019 15:12

Your husband is putting pressure on you to choose an option that is detrimental to YOU and has no bearing on HIM. He needs to contribute 50% of all childcare costs and responsibilities. Each pay for half of the nanny, or if he insists on a childmionder, he has to collect/drop off 50% of the time. Until childcare costs and responsibilities are shared equally by men we have no parity in career terms.

thepeopleversuswork · 14/11/2019 15:13

Adding my voice to the chorus of those saying you have a DH problem.

I am a FT working single mother working in a very high pressure environment. It's bloody stressful, the juggle sometimes feels impossible and it costs me a fortune. But it's still far easier than it was when I was married to someone who expected me to do 9/10 of the chidcare/mental load just because of my chromosomes, even though I out-earned him by a factor of nearly four.

By saying the nanny is "money down the drain" your DH is unilaterally deciding that his career is more important than yours and he is assigning you to be his domestic helper. If you genuinely want to be a SAHM, go for it. But if you want to work too he has to either pull his weight on the domestic front or pay for the nanny. End of.

Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 15:13

We did discuss it before I got pregnant. Well I told
him we will need a nanny and it will cost 3k a months so 1.5k each but as usual he just nodded his head and didn’t really look into it himself. Now when the time has come he suddenly thinks it’s a waste of money.

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GrumpyHoonMain · 14/11/2019 15:16

My DH has a masters etc, and a higher profile career than mine but it all goes tits up during a recession or when bonuses are capped. My mid to senior management role is far more secure and earns more longer term so in our case if it ever came to it he would be staying at home - your dh need to use more than the thicko ‘mummy needs to stay at home because she doesn’t want to progress’ argument to decide who stays at home.

Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 15:17

The stuff about my mum is really because I need encouragement and to hear that it can be done. She’s always been my champion with my education etc but she is pessimist so I guess that explains why she’s so negative about it.

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Maybbabi · 14/11/2019 15:21

A nanny sounds like your only viable option. You only need to pay for a full time nanny for a few years, then when your children start nursery (taking the free hours given by the Gov into consideration), you just need to pay for wrap-around care. Childcare isn't cheap and it's incredibly unfair of your husband to place the onus on you. It doesn't matter whether you want to progress in your career at this stage. You may want to later on when the children are older.

Your husband needs a reality check. A nanny is your only option unless he's willing to share the drop-off and pick-up responsibilities and all that goes with them (which I can imagine is unlikely). I would also suggest a certain amount of 'training' - your husband should be helping with the household chores. You are not the chief cook and bottle washer, plus parent and full-time working mum. It's not fair to expect you to be that, nor should you become that! You will just end up resenting him. Time to put your foot down.

GrumpyHoonMain · 14/11/2019 15:21

I’m guessing she doesn’t want to be the permanent carer for 2 kids on a near full time basis, when you can definitely afford paid childcare.

Freewanderer · 14/11/2019 15:22

I feel for you, I really do. It’s not a waste of money if it saves your sanity, but you already know this.
I know plenty of women who switched from nursery care to nannies when they realised how stressful NOT having a nanny was. And also, like a pp pointed out, your children are supposed to be your most precious possession. How can paying for a nanny or excellent childcare ever be a waste of money?
I would hate to have to explain this to my husband. He should just get it! But sit him down after having researched all the costs for both child minders and nannies - then show him the cost of your sanity in monetary terms.
As an aside, I don’t have any family within a radius of about 100 miles. Most of the women I know go it alone too.

Flower30 · 14/11/2019 15:24

OP, PLEASE don’t give up your career. I have been learning that the hard way this year and although it will likely be the furthest thing from your mind, you should consider the potential impact should the worst happen and your marriage fails.

I gave up my career to be a SAHM 7 years ago as my husband has a very highly paid and busy career and we decided that the best thing for our family was for me to be at home. What I’ve realised is that that was the best thing for my husband and for my children but not necessarily for me.

Although we are working things out, we have had a very tough year and it looked very likely that we would split earlier in the year. It made me take a long hard look at my life and I have been really fortunate to be able to find a route back into my career (I have taken a pay cut and will be unlikely to progress in the way I would have done without my extended career break but overall I’ve been VERY fortunate to be given this opportunity). As such, even though I’m hopeful that my husband and I will work things out, I am 100% going to back to FT work. In order to do that, we have employed a nanny. My husband made a few comments about how expensive it is and how we need to balance the costs with my income (our joint income will be well over £300k so I think we can afford it 🙄) and I have absolutely put my foot down and said that the nanny is non-negotiable unless he can commit to 50% of the housework, school pick ups etc etc. I know that going back to my career is the right decision for me and therefore I accept that I will do what I have to in order to do that. And should things not go to plan with my husband, I’m not left dependent and worrying about finding a job.

Anyway, sorry long story but I really wish I hadn’t stopped work and had pushed on with my career alongside my children and had employed enough help to allow me to do that. It has taken me 7 years and a near divorce experience to realise that. Just my two cents...

Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 15:26

I did also explain to him that for babies 1 to 1 care is better. His response? The childminder has fantastic reviews, we need to try it out.

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Settlersofcatan · 14/11/2019 15:26

I would give the childminder a try but tell your DH that if he isn't doing his share of the pick ups and drop offs, you will need to switch to a nanny. My DH sometimes drops hints about being really busy at work when it's his turn to pick up, I just ignore it. We have a schedule of who does what and we stick to it.

MarshaBradyo · 14/11/2019 15:28

What an idiot he is tell him to stfu about waste of money. Get a nanny.

Freewanderer · 14/11/2019 15:28

I’m sure the childminder is excellent, as many of them are, but he’s missing the point!

user68901 · 14/11/2019 15:29

Please make sure your husband is equally responsible for childcare. If he carries on insisting on childminder he has to do his fair share of drop offs and pick ups .

BrightYellowDaffodil · 14/11/2019 15:30

I have the same question as other posters upthread: which part of working 9 to 5 is “part time”?