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Women shouldn’t have careers...

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Jadefeather7 · 14/11/2019 14:19

Controversial title but hear me out.

Since I was a child I was always pushed to do well academically. My parents invested a lot in my education (financially and time wise) in the hope that I could have a good career & standard of living. My mother told me that she always resented being a SAHM and wanted her daughters to be working and independent. She told me how her mother refused to take on paid childcare when she asked her to retire early but she said she would help her daughters so that their lives would be different, especially as unlike her, her daughters had gone into higher education.

I’m now in a position where I have a great career but it involves working long hours. I’m on maternity leave and find myself pregnant again. I plan to go back for a few months before my next mat leave in order to stay on top of things. As I think about how I will manage I do feel quite stressed.

I have an hour long commute (there are no local jobs in my area) and I work with young, (mostly) single, childless people who have no lives outside of work. The expectation is that everyone puts in long hours. I don’t really want further profession and responsibility at this stage but I don’t want to be taking the piss either (which is what they would see doing 9-5 as)

I’m trying to figure out childcare. I think a nanny would be best although finding someone who will do a fixed term contract is tricky. My husband is against the idea because he thinks it’s throwing money down the drain. It’s a lot of money but I feel like it’s worth it to maintain my career in the long run. His job is very pressurised as well. He wants us to use a childminder. I know that would mean extra stress for me as I would have to try to rush back to do pick ups, laundry, meals etc.

I was talking to my mum about going back to work and she started trying to put me off and told me that I should become a SAHM or take an extended career break (which she knows is career suicide).I felt really upset that after everything she had dreamed off for me, that she would say that.

Most of the women I know who have demanding careers have had a lot of support from their families. I know however that there are so many of you on here who manage with paid childcare, but my mum keeps making me doubt that it’s possible. If you are one those, please tell me it’s possible?

I really love my job. It was a huge part of my life for 10 years and I feel like my family don’t value it.

I’m starting to feel like women can’t have ‘careers’ and only suit having ‘jobs’. Plenty of people seem to manage somehow doing part time 9-5 jobs.

Was it a silly idea to put so much into my education and end up in this sort of career? I feel like all my hard work will end up just being a waste of time.

OP posts:
Waterdropsdown · 14/11/2019 22:18

Not sure if this adds much.
I’m in a professional job in London in banking and since having kids work 4 days a week. Have 3 year old twins. Until 4 months ago we had a nanny. We moved house and planned to get a new nanny but it didn’t work out and we ended up with a childminder. I was very nervous about this my husband travels a lot (and also earns about 3x what I do). DH does the morning when he is here and I pick up each evening (I came home for nanny each day as well and was never late, I’m not interested in someone else bathing and putting my kids to bed). I love the childminder, I love not having the responsibility that came with the nanny!
My childminder is fantastic and has only 3 kids all day and then picks 2 more from school. Childminder collects the kids in the morning and meets me at the station (parents all get the train). So what I’m saying is check out all the options first, because you might be fixed on one option but another might actually work out great.

SalemShadow · 14/11/2019 22:21

Did you just say 9-5 is part time?? What hours do you work?

HarryRug · 14/11/2019 22:26

I have a demanding career with long hours, international travel, male dominated and culture of staying late in office/being available 24/7. We have always had nannies right up until my DH got made unexpectedly redundant. Every day I think thank goodness I kept my career going as otherwise we wouldn’t be able to pay the mortgage now without his income. It’s very hard when kids are little but it is doable. Having a nanny turn up in mornings rather than having to get a child fed, washed, dressed and to a childminder was much easier. Keep your career up. You don’t know what disasters you’ll face in life. Two solid careers are far better than one. Good luck.

Iamthewombat · 14/11/2019 22:54

She didn’t say that 9-5 is part time hours. She explained that upthread. She was referring to a role that was part time (eg 3 days per week) and allowed her to do standard office hours on the days she worked. Rather than doing the equivalent of five days of work for 60% of a salary.

(The role in question doesn’t exist, which is the case for most of us. I give my employer loads of time for free because like many businesses, presenteeism is a big deal).

Jadefeather7 · 15/11/2019 08:43

I can’t find the post now but I think someone recommended a book for me to read? If anyone knows what it was or can suggest something please let me know. Thanks!

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Dilkhush · 15/11/2019 08:51

I recommended Allison Pearson's "I don't know how she does it".

WhoKnewBeefStew · 15/11/2019 08:52

I have two dc and a decent, middle management career. I didn't want to give this up as the industry I'm in is one where you can't step out and back in a few years later (it's technology based). So I had a nanny for the early years. Yes it was expensive and hard work to start with, but I'm now reaping the rewards (imo) now. I have a rewarding career and two happy kids. I'm now a single mother and I have my own house and am financially stable. It would be a very different story if I'd become a sahm.

Working to me is more than just paid work. It gives me focus and is rewarding. I could earn a lot more but my company gives me the flexibility I need. Your dh needs to understand that work is more than just money and it can define you and give you purpose (as well as having dc).

GabriellaMontez · 15/11/2019 08:58

The devil's in the detail. How will he do his share of the pick up from a childminder when he's abroad?

Take him up on the parental leave If you want to might do him good. Sounds like he's not expecting you to say yes to this.

Disappointing you had to ask him to contribute to your baby. He should have been asking you how much he owed.

Don't let him wear you down on this. Does he usually choose the cheapest product? Or the most suitable.?

CmdrCressidaDuck · 15/11/2019 09:20

I'm not a huge fan of the Allison Pearson book, and it does also end with the main character leaving her job to be a SAHM (if temporarily). It's not exactly positive about combining a career with DC or having a DH who does his bit. The main message from it seems to be "it can't be done, so move up north where it's cheap and do a bit of self-employed work".

I appreciate the City can be a real slog for a woman who wants to be taken seriously after DC, but I think there is better and more practical stuff about how to make career + DC work, I'll have a think about whether I can recommend anything.

KatharinaRosalie · 15/11/2019 09:34

Read Wifework instead.

Jadefeather7 · 15/11/2019 09:37

This one has good reviews, not sure if anyone here has read it:

www.amazon.co.uk/Baby-Proof-Your-Career-Balancing/dp/1781331618?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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hazell42 · 15/11/2019 09:47

Your OP is all about you.
So how do you get from 'I' to 'women'. Are all women supposed to give up a career just because you can't hack it?

AgnesGrundy · 15/11/2019 09:52

hazell42 it's just a click bait style title, which achieved its aim (you in marketing, politics, journalism or advertising OP?)

CloudPop · 15/11/2019 09:55

Get a nanny. Insist on it. It's the only way to make this work. It's only for a few years, yes it's expensive and yes there are cheaper options, but in your circumstances and especially with the likelihood of your husband stepping up, it's the only sane option.

Loopytiles · 15/11/2019 14:29

The key issue here is your H, so best focus on sorting that, not easy!

honeylulu · 15/11/2019 15:15

The Allison Pearson book annoyed me for various reasons. The main character had plenty of money to chuck at top quality childcare for a start, so she really didn't have the additional worries of funding it like many of us do.

Then her husband left because he couldn't cope with the stress of her not being present enough ... yet he seemed to have the much easier life - 9-5 job he enjoyed and a full time nanny for the kids. But he just left his wife to deal with double stress on her own, selfish sod.

And her solution - give up work to pander to him. Very unsatisfactory. I enjoyed it up to that point.

Sorry, massively derailed thread.

Insist on the nanny OP. Maintain your career. Why should you have to take the back seat all the time if you don't want to. I also recommend sharing the maternity leave. My husband said he didn't realise what hard work it was being away home until he did it. Game changer.

honeylulu · 15/11/2019 15:15

Being at home not "being away".

treepolitics · 15/11/2019 15:24

@honeylulu did you read the follow up book? They split up in the second book. I wonder what Pearson thinks of her first book now in that respect.

treepolitics · 15/11/2019 15:26

my DH always said the book should've been called 'I don't know why she does it', because that was more the point, her heart wasn't really in the job. I agree though, my DH learned a lot from the periods when I had to travel for work.

orangeteal · 15/11/2019 15:32

So because you and your partner can't manage careers and your family life, you think all women (women of course) shouldn't have a career? HmmI manage my career and family just fine thanks.

honeylulu · 15/11/2019 15:54

@treepolitics
I didn't know there was a second book. Might have to get it! Thanks!

wheresmymojo · 15/11/2019 16:05

I will do four days probably but I need good childcare for those days. It’s like @HildaSnibbs said, I will end up bearing the cost if we go for the cheaper option.*

WE.....WE need good childcare

You're allowing him to make childcare YOUR problem.

I'm the (female) breadwinner in my family, the one that works long hours and is ambitious. I don't use this as an excuse to make everything about DC DH's problem.

3timeslucky · 15/11/2019 16:08

Sounds like for your dh it would be great if women (or specifically you) didn't have a career. Your mum may be reflecting her own experience and observations that his attitude mean the lion's share of everything is going to land at your feet. What about you? What do YOU want? Decide. Explain. Explain to him what it means for him and you and your family unit (since he's apparently not interested in thinking that through for himself). If you need a nanny to make what you want work then go for it. Do not look at it as a situation where the childcare and child-related stuff is yours to sort out either practically or financially. Your combined salaries and your combined resources can be employed to meet the combined needs of your children and both your careers.

Dilkhush · 15/11/2019 17:02

I know not everyone likes the Allison Pearson book. I recommended it because I thought it would be an entertaining way for the OP to avoid the pitfalls of doing a full on job while still doing all the 'wife work'. She struggles in the book because she loves her job but instead of being happy with that as the example she sets for her children (as she should be IMO), she tries to be the perfect PTA cake baking type of mother as well. Which is impossible.

Mummyshark2018 · 15/11/2019 20:10

It's totally possible for mothers and fathers to both have successful careers although it takes some compromise on both sides, sometimes at different times.

I started a full time 3 year doctorate when my dc was 3. I had to travel to another city 3 days per week. Prior to that I had worked locally and did my fair share of nursery drop offs and pick ups. Dh has to adjust his work slightly to do all drop off and pick ups as I was out of house 7.15-6.45. I was also studying/ writing thesis in evenings and weekends so dh did about 70% of household chores.

Now I'm qualified i work a few days for a big organisation and run my own company on the others. I'm lucky that I can be flexible though. now that I'm sorted my dh is pushing on with his career and will be spending 2 weeks per month in the Middle East (for a year) for a fantastic secondment opportunity. So now I'm doing the harder slog. We have no family in the country so have had to do it ourselves. With reliable childcare and a team mentality it can be done. I could out earn him easily if I worked more but money isn't everything and I like having school holidays off.

I hope your dh sees sense and supports you in choosing what's best in the long run for both of you. Good luck!