Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

[Considermesometimes]

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Stop thanks - can you please join the camp that says no one ever can challenge the party on our policies. You are like the Russian police force, closing down all views, even if they are valid ones.

I wouldn't say voting green is getting 'the shitheads into power'

No, you described voting green as a ‘wasted vote’.

I was saying that ‘not wasting your vote’ involves voting shitheads into power, not that voting green, which is unlikely in your constituency to get anyone into power, was.

I'm disabled, a single parent of a disabled child, I'm unable to work because of my health & have to claim disability benefits

I can see why you would vote for Labour, in your circumstances I would do the same in a heartbeat, but I am married, a house owner in a very over crowded over subscribed school area, and fear I am going to lose my job because of the four day week and the corporation tax hikes planned. We are in different places, but I see why it is an easy decision for you. I wish I could make the same decision without worrying about what will happen if he actually wins.

Sorry @Considermesometimes I didn’t make myself clear.

I don’t think Labour will be elected under Corbyn’s leadership.

From what I have read the tax increases for someone earning £85000 a year will be £8.50 under Labour

This fucking figure again. Labour CANNOT afford to fund their pledges based on the money raised by the £8.50 for £85k line. If you think it sounds too good to be true, it’s because it’s way too good to be true.

The £4.5 billion that Labour say that this tax policy will raise is peanuts when it comes to the costs of their policies.

If you want to see the reality of a Tory Government, watch I Daniel Blake & Sorry I missed you because they both show the reality for the most vulnerable members of our society. In the 21st century, this should never be allowed to happen, we are one of the richest countries in the world yet we have people sleeping on the streets & working people having to use food banks.

“ Well given the strong start to the campaign the tories have made over the last few days you’ll be quaking in your boots I expect. You poor thing.”

Blimey. Either this is sarcasm or some new definition of “strong” I haven’t previously come across.....

noble I am in a 76% leave area, I don't think my vote is going to make a blind bit of difference in reality. They are Labour voters in the main and will vote BP is my guess. The leave vote here are furious, and I mean furious that we have not left already. They are not going to hold back on election day.

A wasted vote is one when you vote for knowing the party will not get into power, but there is a chance that there will be an increase, a substantial one and smaller parties will grow stronger and their voices become louder.

@Considermesometimes oh the irony

If you don’t want answers don’t ask ze questions

Sorry @Considermesometimes* I didn’t make myself clear.
I don’t think Labour will be elected under Corbyn’s leadership*

So the best we can hope for is a change in the new year, by then it will be too late to win the election this time at least. It is a scandal that we are in this position at all. We need to have leaders that can offer something to the majority, and not just the small little niche that is Momentum. I am not even sure how this insurgence happened in the first place, but it has become very damaging.

A wasted vote is one when you vote for knowing the party will not get into power, but there is a chance that there will be an increase, a substantial one and smaller parties will grow stronger and their voices become louder.

Then it’s not wasted, is it? Why were you calling it wasted? That implies that you would vote for someone else in order not to waste it.

Yes it was sarcasm. Sorry, thought it was obvious that lying, insulting the dead, employing fake news tactics Putin would be proud of and covering for someone who deliberately sabotaged a rape trial wouldn’t really count as a ‘strong start’.

stop you have lost me, but anyway, I am not asking questions. I am talking about my own personal quandary. Are you my SIL by any chance?

@Considermesometimes then Your vote is not being wasted.

I despair

noble I am a labour supporter, I don't really want to vote for a party that has no chance of winning, but I can't because I feel his policies are too extreme. So yes a green vote is my next best thing.

@Solihooley- phew. But it says something about the current standard of political discourse that there was even the possibility that it was real!

stop It is wasted to some degree, because the green party look unlikely to win. It is a little like backing a horse that has a nice name but can not canter for toffee. Same thing. Labour are giving me no choice, they need to change their policies, and their leader before it is too late for the party. I don't want to see them dead and buried in the election, but maybe a reincarnation in the new year will be the end result.

I was and am being insolent since your ongoing incredulity and politics for dummies is inciting it I’m afraid.
No I don’t have a brother. Unless you’re married to my sister? And are a six foor rugby player from the Vendée

Libdems might have been my natural second choice, but I am so worried that Libdems will take over labour's position in second place, that I can't in all honesty do that either. I also support second ref and not revoke.

Although the libdems breaking through wouldn't make a massive difference here, it definitely have a big impact if it happened all over the country. Libdems could over take Labour and then we may lose the party altogether.

I have been called many things but a rugby player isn't one of them

I have never understood how a man with one o level was deemed intellectually competent to lead a party, never mind a country

You keep trotting this out @Babdoc, have you actually spent any time thinking it through? Academic qualifications and intellect are different things. Throughout history we’ve had talented politicians with little formal education. Johnson has a degree from Oxford - God knows how - and a less competent PM is beyond imagination.

Did you read that on this thread?

09.32 this morning, @Considermesometimes

Considermesometimes my ds is at an overcrowded school where staff don't have enough time to teach the GCSE syllabus, I am having to pay for a tutor to get him through his exams, I live on a council estate that is getting more & more rundown because the council can't afford to do proper maintenance, the crime rate is going through the roof round here, it is a drug dealer's paradise. In the last 2 years there have been 3 murders, 17 stabbings, one of the murders was in the block where I live, another was a 15 year old who had been excluded from ds school, yet we never see police patrols. There is nothing for the kids to do round here, we used to have an amazing youth club that kept kids off the streets & out of trouble. The youth workers worked tirelessly with troubled kids to put them back on the right path & kept hundreds from ending up in prison, but cuts to the budgets meant that they were closed down along with 15 other clubs over the city. We need better funding for education, the police & youth services. How can we expect today's children to become tomorrow's responsible adult workers & parents when they don't get the grounding as children?

I am so worried that Libdems will take over labour's position in second place, that I can't in all honesty do that either.

Lib Dems have 21 MPs, Labour have 243. ‘So worried’ that their positions might switch seems a bit excessive in this instance!

Jeremy Corbyn will never be PM.