Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

I am from a long line of Liberal supporters (going back to the creation of the Manchester Guardian) who switched to Labour at some point - probably either when they merged with the Social Democrats or in the 90s. Most relatives are voting Green, the more Eurosceptic are voting Conservative. I am undecided.

Deathgrip - "The question is whether it is institutionally anti-Semitic and whether Corbyn himself is an anti-Semite, which have been claimed with certainty by some on this thread but is not proven. "

The EHRC do not start investigations into institutional racism lightly. They started it because of the overwhelming weight of evidence.

You may think the leader's office blatantly intervening in anti-Semitism cases is no big deal, you may think that Corbyn choosing to associate with and support a succession of Holocaust deniers, blood libellers, terrorists etc is no big deal but I'm afraid that says rather more about you than anything else. You can no longer claim ignorance of the evidence as links have been posted upthread.

I do not think that you care about anti-Semitism, which is your prerogative. It is my prerogative to view you as racist.

And whataboutery about Tory racism or disablism doesn't somehow make Labour anti-Semitism disappear or become just fine.

I won't be voting Tory for those and many other reasons. It still doesn't mean that Labour anti-Semitism is not a huge problem. And I say that as someone who lost a parent due to Tory NHS cuts.

So it's not that I think that doesn't matter. It's that I recognise that if the alternative to the Tories is someone (Corbyn) who is happy to support Hamas (who believe in murdering all Jews globally - this is in the Hamas charter) and Holocaust deniers, then I'm facing a threat that is as bad, or worse.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hamas-thanks-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-message-rally-pro-palestinian-a8917691.html

Oh FFS. It gets worse.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-chiefs-mull-plan-replace-20852711

Labour chiefs mull plan to replace top civil servants with political appointees

EXCLUSIVE: Permanent Secretaries, widely known after Sir Humphry of Yes Minister, would go in favour of political appointees according to the plan being looked at

Because politicising the entire civil service doesn't have any obvious problems, does it??

It's hard to escape the view that Milne is every bit as extreme and dangerous as Cummings.

Harry Do you honestly think you are the first person to call me a closet tory on this thread

Just calling it as I see it. You are literally spouting every right wing cliché going about the current Labour Party. I obviously don't know what you are but I do know what narrative(s) you have swallowed.

Hook. Line. And sinker.

I too will struggle to vote for Labour under Corbyn. But will do so tactically to keep the Tories out. They are a nasty, divisive party.

Jews are being asked for evidence over and over and over and over and over and over, and like I said, the requests are often not in good faith

It's actually even worse than that, since the repeated requests often come from the same people. You'd think that being supplied with ample examples once was enough, but for some reason they appear to "forget" it and once again parrot "where's the evidence?"

It might be worth wondering why that is, but in the meantime thanks for the Twitter link upthread - there were some incidents in that which I wasn't aware of

Why is Dan Carden denying it? ... How did he think it was going to pan out?

Presumably he hoped to get away with it ... you know, like so many others?

A bit like Johnson’s “no press here” when they were literally filming him at Whipps Cross.

Puzzled the conveniently 'forgetting', then disappearing off threads when evidence they can't refute appears...
Is a common MO of some of the more virulent posters..

harry Do you know my biggest fear is not that I am somehow being lured into a tory narrative, no, my biggest concern is that you have no idea about the true extent of Jeremy's agenda, and this is only the beginning.

The beginning of what? You didn’t even mention antisemitism in your op. You’ve just jumped on the conveniently provided bandwagon.

you have no idea about the true extent of Jeremy's agenda, and this is only the beginning

What, do you base this on? Do you something a lot of others don't? If so, spill the beans so we can all make as an informed decision as you obviously are.

I doubt Jeremy is bright enough to have an agenda. More likely Milne, McCluskey, Murray, McDonnell.

But yes, given their histories, quite scary to think.

Antisemitism = “conveniently provided bandwagon”

True colours.

Alsohuman - I know you may find this hard to believe, but other posters actually read links, listen to arguments and this in turn affects their views.

You should try it some time...

Some of the posters here remind me of one particularly prolific poster who used to post non-stop on the politics threads pre-Brexit. Post-Brexit, s/he mysteriously disappeared. Those of you who've been around a few years will remember who I'm referring to.

There is no doubt that MN attracts some full-time paid disinformation trolls.

Thing is, you don’t know what my views are because I haven’t told you.

This part of the manifesto 2017 that also concerns me for DH business.

By reforming the rules our companies operate under, we can make sure they stay focused on delivering shared wealth. Labour will amend company law so that directors owe a duty directly not only shareholders, but to employees, customers, the environment and the wider public, and we will consult on bringing forward appropriate legislation within this Parliament.

What will this 'duty' be?

the conveniently 'forgetting', then disappearing off threads when evidence they can't refute appears...Is a common MO of some of the more virulent posters

Yes, I imagine I'm not alone in having noticed that ...

There is no doubt that MN attracts some full-time paid disinformation trolls

Clearly, going by this thread.

Yes, and what do they mean by 'wider public'?

LibDems seems to be the way to go