Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

I am trying to imagine sending Jeremy Corbyn to G8 and NATO (he does not agree with NATO) and to other world events with the world leaders present, at the White House or in Brussels and I just cringe at the thought of it. It was bad enough watching May humiliate us on the world stage.

Labour are really nasty and mcdonnell is a total nightmare. They will bankrupt the country. Vote for who you want to and just lie to relations it’s nothing to do with them.

Also they won’t close down private schools. They just mentioned that as an ideological point

And this is the very point I am trying to make! You don't seem to even believe the policies yourself. They absolutely do intend to close private schools Mistle why publish the policy if it was simple ideology?
I don't think you realise the full extent of the new policies.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/28/education-closing-private-schools-labour-inequality-league-tables

Lets see if its in the manifesto, hopefully removing the charitable status will be

Yes but who Leckford? Seriously I have no one to vote for. I am considering the Green Party but is that just a worthless vote?

I will believe Jeremy Corning’s more equal society when he starts taking about reducing his own salary and nice big pension pot.
£143k per year for a man only holding his place as leader of the Labour Party as he is backed by momentum the modern day Wolfe smith of politics.

I do understand it - I’m a secondary school teacher, a member of the Labour Party and have a child at a lovely private school. If they close them, it will be done as I previously showed you with an example from my local area. That good school simply became a free good school, no problem. They can’t “shut them down” as the kids will still have to go to school there etc - they’ll just make them free and all will be well.
What are you so scared of? Your child having to mix with someone from the local area?

Is that you Jo?
I’m voting Labour, as is everyone I know bar two people. We’re voting Labour because

1. Their Brexit position is mature and the least divisive

They have no coherent brexit position at all!!!!

2. They will undo some of the ravages created by neoliberal attitudes of the last few governments

How? By spending billions privatising water companies. I would prefer to see more spent on homeless people and those on UC

3. Their position is caring for ordinary people ( see I, Daniel Blake)

I don't see that at all. Ask any Jewish person how they feel about that statement.

4. Our lives will be better under Labour

How?? If every rich person leaves the country, along with all investment. How is that good for us??

5. No selling off the NHS

I don't think any party is selling off the NHS.

This is all just soundbites mist I wish it wasn't but the policies are terrible. I can't vote for them.

They will never close down private schools.

They are floating the idea publicly so that when they come to remove the charitable status of private schools, this looks like a moderate policy by comparison. See "shifting the Overton window." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

And the private school issue is tiny compared to the bigger issues if the Tory party get in - or form a Brexit Party/Tory coalition. You can say goodbye to everything good that was created by a post war socialist Labour government.

Surely you should be more worried about a loss of basic rights, kids at food banks, schools and hospitals on their knees and 120,000 people dead from austerity. Even if you do not like Corbyn, you should be caring enough about ordinary people to keep the ultra right out. We will all pay the price if people like you split the left vote.

I do understand it - I’m a secondary school teacher, a member of the Labour Party and have a child at a lovely private school. If they close them, it will be done as I previously showed you with an example from my local area. That good school simply became a free good school, no problem. They can’t “shut them down” as the kids will still have to go to school there etc - they’ll just make them free and all will be well.

But surely any school which is being paid for by the state will have to abide by the standard national curriculum and so on.

For a lot of people, the whole point of private school is that they can do things differently to the state sector because they are not beholden to the state.

The private schools will not simply move to state, because many of them cost an absolute fortune to run. We simply can not afford to seize all of the private schools and pay for them to continue where they left off. In most cases, the private schools will be sold off, and the children will be integrated with the nearest local school.
This is not going to be good for any of our children, lucky that you have a child in private school and can probably afford to home school them with private tutors if your school has a forced closure Mistle but the rest of us will be stuck with massive classes and schools that can't cope.

I would still vote for Corbyn to avoid Brexit, mind you.

I don't think Corbyn means half the things he says, and even if he did implement some of them, they could all be undone by a future administration. Whereas if we leave the EU it is going to be very difficult to reverse course and get back in.

So basically this isn’t you starting a thread about anything except hatred of a decent socialist government. Shame on you
. People are dying - one homeless person every 19 hours now. That’s entirely caused by austerity - created by a government which hates ordinary people and only cares about the rich. If the rich leave under a Labour government then it’ll be the ones who want to avoid paying tax which is no loss to us anyway.
And if you don’t understand Labour’s Brexit policy then you haven’t tried very hard. It’s clear to anyone who can read 3 sentences.
You should be ashamed of yourself coming on here with your propaganda - votes for the Tories or the Yellow Tories will kill people and you’ll have a little bit of that blood on your hands.

Surely you should be more worried about a loss of basic rights, kids at food banks, schools and hospitals on their knees and 120,000 people dead from austerity

You are dead right. These are the things I care about, and I don't see any policies from Labour supporting ANY of your list. Nothing at all that I care about deeply. I would be happy for Labour to introduce all meals for children, help in the school holidays for parents. Guaranteed standards of living and tangible policies that address the very biggest difficulties, but I just do not see that in their policies.

It is all about privatising and closing things down.

JC in my opinion has all the values I want in a pm. He doesn't respond to propeganda, doesn't engage in insults or smear tactics. That's what I want. Plus the fact he is a true socialist
He will get my vote
I don't dislike him more than I dislike the alternative

To those claiming that Labour promote equality:

Labour believes that women have lady brains...

I think Corbyn is a dreadful
Leader of the Labour Party and I want him to stand down immediately.

But the idea of being embarrassed by him on the world stage and not being embarrassed by Johnson is laughable.

Btw any academy, which most state schools are now, can teach in the way they choose. Private to state really would have very little effect on the pupils. The schools will still only have the amount of children the building can hold so that’s a non issue. But like I said, this is a tiny point compared to the deaths of 120,000 people.

I don't think Corbyn means half the things he says, and even if he did implement some of them, they could all be undone by a future administration

No they can't be undone. Thats the whole point.

How can you possibly vote for a government now, and assume all of its policies will be undone by some future responsible government?

Surely in four years the country could be completely ruined no?

Your position is irresponsible in the extreme kok

This election really matters. That is why I am so worried.

I think Corbyn is a dreadful
Leader of the Labour Party and I want him to stand down immediately

Could he be forced to stand down BEFORE the election do you think Bert? Because it is a deal breaker for me, because I just can not vote for him.

£10 per hr minimum wage
Tuition fees abolished
Free nursery places for 2-4 year olds
Scrap SAT exams
No privatisation of the NHS
No fracking
Renationalisation of the railways
Making big companies pay their fair share of tax

The problem with parties is, that they listen to the party members, rather than the voters, most voters aren't a member of any political party and if you want to get elected listen to what voters want.

Corbyn listens to momentum a lot as they have a lot of control in the party these days, and they are a cult like bunch.

Also a number of his shadow cabinet are no where better than the idiots we have at moment, McDonnell, Watson, Abbott. The only one who seems to actually have a clue is Starmer I think they would have more of a chance with him.

“Surely in four years the country could be completely ruined no?“

Well it certainly will be if the Tories get in again....