Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

[Considermesometimes]

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

But it is what it is. And that’s the choice.

I was hoping from this thread that I would come to a solution, but actually I have realised we are all in the same boat, it is not just me. I am conflicted, but not more or less than anyone else. I even feel conflicted about brexit, I don't think it is right to just revoke. I really feel that is wrong, but then another referendum may cause even more problems than the first one.

It is such a mess.

I guess the only ones that don't feel this sense of deep conflict are the leave tory voters! For them it is a done deal. No pun intended.

Oh well, I am off to look at the green party website. Across Europe the Greens are doing really well, so maybe they will be a big success here too one day soon. Labour may come the new year have a resurgence.

@AlphaBravoCharlieDelta They are not going to build 40 new hospitals. They have funding for 6 hospitals currently and some of that is refurbing existing. Tories also promised 200,000 new homes in 2015 and we have exactly.... ZERO.

Considermesometimes - There are no good options (unless as you've said, you're a no-deal loving tory voter). The best thing to do, maybe the only thing to do is to vote tactically.

I was a moderate Labour voter back in the day and I am concerned about some of Corbyn's policies but a GE will be held every five years or potentially earlier, crashing out of the EU with no deal will be a far more damaging long term event for people in the UK. There is no solution left for a Brexit deal (for tenth time to anyone who hasn't read my earlier posts - BoJo WILL take us out with no deal & Labour cannot re-open negotiations). The only good outcome IMO that may possibly be achievable is a people's vote and I will take a few years of a Labour government to get that.

Considermesometimes - what is the tactical voting situation in your constituency?

My options are to vote Conservative or the Brexit party here. I don't think any other party will get a look in. I'll either abstain or vote Green. I care about the environment deeply and am veggie, so I am closer to the party ethics than most, but see it as a wasted vote.

I am also not sure if I ethically agree with tactical voting. It seems dishonest to me.

Oh OP you're not transparent at all

Thanks Max, not sure what you mean by that but anyway welcome.

I don't think it is right to just revoke

If the Lib Dems got into power and Jo Swinson was PM and revoked Article 50, then they wouldn’t ‘just’ be revoking. They would be revoking on the back of the most extraordinary electoral swing ever. This would be a whopping great mandate for revoke, given that’s their most prominent policy, therefore it’s perfectly reasonable for that to be their policy.

@Considermesometimes
You misunderstand me. I do not have particular reservations about Labour policies. I have reservations about Corbyn as leader because I don’t think Labour will get the chance to implement them under his leadership.

You're a supposed long term Labour party supporter yet you post up a list of hysterical scaremongering straight out of the Dom Cummings handbook. Very believable.

see it as a wasted vote.

Does voting for a morally bankrupt party give your vote value?

‘I don’t want to waste my vote so I’m going to use it to get shitheads into power’ isn’t really the best argument.

Tactical voting - using your vote to keep a shithead out of power is a more logical use of a vote.

I don't think tactical voting is dishonest at all while we have a first past the vote system. it's merely a matter of prioritizing what is the important outcome for you. Clearly for me, the important outcome is the chance of a people's vote.

If we had proportional representation or ranked/preferential voting then perhaps voters could be more 'honest' but we have winner takes all system and tactical voting is a consequence of that and sometimes the only way for a vote to count.

Well given the strong start to the campaign the tories have made over the last few days you’ll be quaking in your boots I expect. You poor thing.

while related, antisemitism is different to racism in that my children aren't a visible target for antisemitism

Possibly one of the most disturbing posts I've read on here ... and there's been a lot of competition

Max would YOU like to tell me then why Labour is so worthy of my vote in 2019 having voted for them all my life? None of their pledges make any difference to my life, and in some ways will damage our chances. Is it so bad to be honest about that?

Why do my concerns have to come from anyone's handbook? Have you any idea how patronising you sound. It is people like you that allow the LP the indulgence of thinking that they can win on the back of all of this. You know as well as I do, most people will worry what a Corbyn will mean for them, for their children. We can't pretend its all going to be sorted one way or another, when there is every chance he will follow through. There is nothing in his past to suggest any kind of moderate thinking.

*while related, antisemitism is different to racism in that my children aren't a visible target for antisemitism

Possibly one of the most disturbing posts I've read on here ... and there's been a lot of competition*

Did you read that on this thread?

I am looking through now.

Bert why do you feel Corbyn won't implement the policies? On what basis would he ignore his own pledges, or do you feel he lacks the energy to see them through?

Soli I must have missed the tory strong start, it looks like a car crash from here.

Yeah it's been a fairly terrible start for the Tories 🤣

You should definitely vote Conservative OP.
You come across as a total NIMBYist somthey should be right up your street.

Voted Labour all my life. My arse.

I will be voting Labour as I have always done. Jeremy Corbyn is an infinitely more principled and consistent politician than his ghastly opponents will ever be.
You really shouldn’t believe all the hype.

noble. ‘I don’t want to waste my vote so I’m going to use it to get shitheads into power’ isn’t really the best argument

I wouldn't say voting green is getting 'the shitheads into power'. Your name suggests you are noble or at least honest, and what you are suggesting seems very far away from what I would consider honest.

I can't tactically vote even I wanted to, as we are in a huge leave area even though we have a Labour remain MP, Labour will dust here next month. BP are most likey to win or the Conservatives.

Tbh I’m not sure why you vote Labour at all if you’re appalled with policies like that. Unless it was New Labour you previously aligned with?

@BertrandRussell that’s a very interesting point, and whilst I rather like Corbyn I do see the basis of your concern too.
I am a Labour voter but I too wonder how the tension between the more moderate and radical elements of the Party would manifest itself should they take power.

I will be voting Labour. Jeremy Corbyn & Labour policies hold no fears for me. I'm disabled, a single parent of a disabled child, I'm unable to work because of my health & have to claim disability benefits. Over the last 5 years I have had to go through 7 assessments for benefits where the assessors are looking for the slightest thing to stop your claim, have had to go through the appeal process because I lost my enhanced benefits which left me housebound because they took my car off me, only to win them back on the strength of a document that they had been sent with my original application, they hadn't bothered to read everything I had sent in. Someone else could have accepted the decision & lost out on a chunk of money they were entitled to, I am lucky in that I have a fantastic support group with welfare rights support who have helped me along with my lovely Labour MP, but what about people who have no knowledge or support around them? I still have the threat of Universal Credit hanging over me, from what I understand I could lose nearly £350 a month when I get transferred which frankly will make the difference of me being able to have the heating on when it is cold, being able to have my shopping delivered, affording to pay for help such as cleaning, getting bathed, washing my hair, things that make my life bearable now. From what I have read the tax increases for someone earning £85000 a year will be £8.50 under Labour, if it is morally right for someone like me to lose £350 a month & have no way to replace this money, how can anyone complain about losing £8.50. Labour have stated that they will halt all privatisation of the health service & properly fund it, not the fudged hollow promises from the Tories where any funding given is really just paying back money they have cut over the last 9 years. Labour have also promised to properly fund education & SEN provision, as a parent of a child who has SEN, how can I object to promises of funding to help children like my own? There is nothing to fear for ordinary people in a Labour government.