Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Yes I think that level of hypocrisy is truly stunning.

You don't sound like a labour voter to me.

Vote tactically. Vote for the party most likely to get the Tories out in your area, because whatever you think of Jeremy Corbyn it is nothing compared to the clusterfuck we have waiting for us if Boris gets back in.

However if you're just a Tory party bot trying to whip up bitching about the Labour Party then it doesn't matter what anyone says does it.

Vote tactically. Vote for the party most likely to get the Tories out in your area that would be the Brexit Party.

For goodness sake. I am not for private schools. But closing them down is not going to happen. Even if it did, do you think parents who can afford hundreds of thousands in fees for their children’s education are going to allow their kids to be educated in schools struggling for stationery? This is a complete non issue and even if it happened it would be sorted. And really if that’s what you’re most worried about then you need to give your head a wobble.

The attitude on here that closing private schools won't happen, and that people are silly to concern themselves about it, despite it being actual Labour policy, makes me seriously worry for the intelligence of some posters.

Even if it did, do you think parents who can afford hundreds of thousands in fees for their children’s education are going to allow their kids to be educated in schools struggling for stationery? interesting. Where do you think they'll be educated?

And when the alternative is years of Tory majority especially with the sorts of tories now leading the party and the moderates fleeing, then you really do need to have a good long look at yourself. The alternative of more people homeless, using food banks, having their disability payments cut and people living in abject misery with all aspiration ripped from their hands is hardly a reason to go for it just because you are worried about private schools shutting down or your home being forced from you. Or higher taxes. We are all in this together. I say that as a home owner who bought when prices were too high and it was a massive struggle. Frankly it is people like us that need to take responsibility and help. We are all in this together.

just because you are worried about private schools shutting down or your home being forced from you

I think most people would be unhappy with their home being forcibly taken from them.

My point is - is your home really going to be forced from you? On what basis are you making that assumption?

all political parties tend to make the same mistake of appealing to their key voters to win an election you have to appeal to swing voters in marginals this core group are not signed up members of any party they will vote Tory one election, lib dem another and labour another, these people are generally centrist and will only go very slightly right or left depending on issue
These centrist floating voters will not be won other by either high tax or high spend policies it will be who has the most sensible moderate policies
in a labour/converative marginal the labour party don't need to worry about people who think they are not left wing enough as they would never vote conservative, they do have to worry about those who might be turned off by buying up utilities. higher taxes etc. On the other hand the conservatives don't need to worry about those who think benefits are too generous and taxes too high as these people would never vote labour anyway they do need to worry about the people who think funding for education nhs is slowing down or reducing , both parties will need to be a bit concerned about losing leave voters to brexit party or remainers to lib dems as that might let the other party in by the backdoor

Pig what do you think parents can actually do about it if Labour does impose a forced closure on private schools? Assuming that Jeremy will, as they have pledged to do so already. Genuinely interested in your answer.

I keep seeing on twitter how Labour’s policies will only cost those on £85k 8 quid a week more tax.

Which doesn’t put much faith in their financial capabilities tbh. That’s just obviously bullshit.

No idea. You mentioned it. I suppose there's an argument to say that if private school assets can be assimilated into the state sector then there's no reason why the govt can't take anything it fancies.

Boris will likely win and god help any of you voting for him if your life falls apart in some way. You will be a part of election g the most far right government ever. In some ways I hope it comes back to bite you on the bum. Illness, job loss....something to make you realise that Boris and chums wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Actually scratch that....likely he’d say “have some common sense and leave the fire”

The only people voting Tory should be the super rich with no worries about paying bills if life goes tits up. That’s who the Tories will serve while saying a big “fuck you” to the rest of you,

In the meantime OP I remain politically homeless but Labour will get my vote at this election as they have the best chance of ousting the Tory MP currently in place. ABC....Anyone But Conservative.

OP - just vote LD. Ok, they may not have any chance in your constituency, but frankly, what choice do you have?

The only people voting Tory should be the super rich with no worries about paying bills if life goes tits up. That’s who the Tories will serve while saying a big “fuck you” to the rest of you

I know this view is quite popular in social media, but it really is a load of hysterical bollocks.

the £196 billion bill for nationalising utilities was exaggerated www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/16/cbi-admits-error-in-196bn-price-tag-for-labour-plans
Voting Tory will mean the end of the NHS. The government is speaking with US pharmaceutical lobbyists now. One of the key areas they are negotiating is the cost of medicines. Without the power the NHS has now to find cheaper alternatives (competition required by EU regulations) will mean unsustainable prices for the NHS and will continue to be privatised. It's being privatised now with X-Rays being outsourced, NHS at Hand etc.
There are people dying on Universal Credit and I don't believe a second that the Tory government will do anything about it. It's poor people so they do not care.
Labour taxing people on £85k will mean an additioanl £20 per month for your tax bill. However will you survive?! I earn less than half of that and I would be happy to pay an extra £20 per month if I knew it would help someone in more need than me and that the government was using it for those in the most need not as the Tories use it, to fund projects so their mates can make some money.
Why does everyone always ask where Labour is getting the money from when Tories spend £100 million on a Get Ready for Brexit campaign that told you literally NOTHING, £11 million 31st October commorative coins etc.
Do you think they are going to close all private schools immediately straight away? Of course not.
If you honestly believe that a child deserves a better education because their parents earn more money then there's no point discussing this with you. I believe in a government that would bring all schools up to a higher standard so that EVERYONE get's the same start in life. They will do that by nationalising the railways, utilities and taxing the rich to be able to fund the public services which have been decimated by 9 years of Tory austerity.

rain Spot on it is a mess, and you outlined it beautifully better than I could have done. I still don't think Swinson will pair up with Jeremy.

We are all in this together

No we really are not pig. Those that can will flee the country for a better life, private education and lower taxes will be leaving the country in droves, along with big business. These are the very people we need to pay for everything!

It is basic maths. If you tax the top end to an inch of their lives lets say 80%, and they are already paying nearly 50% as it is, and then you close their schools, and then tax the companies they work for to the hilt so that they also leave the UK where the hell is the incentive to stay if you are wealthy??

I won't have the option to leave, and will probably face bigger problems with our own jobs. You can't fund a 200 billion privatisation bill if you have no tax receipts to pay for it!! Labour needs to be pro business not anti business. Yes even the playing field, ensure they pay the full amount.

We were once a very pro business and industry party where has it gone wrong.

The small businesses have even more reason to be worried, like ours, we would not survive any kind of tax hike and would close overnight with a four day week.

NONE OF THIS STUFF IS GOING TO WORK!

There is nothing wrong in saying so.

You get the sense of the very deep seated problem when you listen to any of our older labour MPs and ministers. Many are saying just this.

Reagrding private schools, I actually think he is proposing to nationalise them, rather then close them down.
I dont think this will work, and there will be lots of legal issues involved.
However, to answer your original question, as leader of the opposition, if labour secure a majority, then, of course he will be PM by default.
Just as so would any party that secured a majority, then the leader becomes Prime Minister by default.

Reagrding private schools, I actually think he is proposing to nationalise them, rather then close them down

The Labour Party is pledging to integrate them into the state sector.

All those chippy Labour voters rubbing their hands in glee thinking they are going to get a free private education! What happens to the pools, the pitches? Will they be maintained? Will specialist staff be retained? It's just a bullshit proposal aimed at pleasing voters for the worst reasons.

Those that can will flee the country for a better life, private education and lower taxes will be leaving the country in droves, along with big business. These are the very people we need to pay for everything!

This is the very reason we need to stay in the EU so matters like tax loopholes for the rich can be closed on a continent-wide level.