Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

[Considermesometimes]

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

rain There just doesn't seem to be a proper coherent brexit position. Long Bailey only yesterday was saying she and others intend to campaign to leave. Starmer and others support remain clearly. The party is torn in two over brexit. The other parties are now gathering around one definite policy on brexit, Tories are brexit with deal, Lib Dems are revoke, BP are no deal and yet still labour are flailing around unsure what to do. Even now three and half years on, they can't even fully commit to a second referendum. At this stage it is just a possibility.

My leave friends/family are switching to the brexit party, so it is an easy enough decision for them apparently. Most have not given it a seconds thought I imagine.

alpha That was a very confident post, how the hell do you know you will definitely win the election??

There are not going to be massive tax rises. Unless you earn over £85,000, you won't be affected at all

And this is why I wont be voting Labour.

If they vowed to put up tax FOR EVERYONE I would seriously consider voting for them. That would really go someway to improving services in this country.

And in three years my dcs will be out of private education anyway, so my grandchildren will benefit from the socialist utopia of amazing education we are promised.

More Tory propaganda, so transparent

AlphaBravoCharlieDelta

It will be interesting when the upper middle classes join the state system. I wonder what stick they'll beat those teens with then? Big house? Tutor? Horses? Being top of the class?

BJ is going to win comfortably (not that I want him to), so no need to worry.

I really object to being called a bloody tory!!

It is a free country, at the moment at least, and I can say I have huge misgivings about Corbyn and his shitty policies without suddenly being labelled a tory!!

I have never voted for any other party but Labour in my life.

I would absolutely love to know why everyone seems to think BJ is going to win?

I think he's going to win, and win comfortably.

We would have a (much) better chance if the party replaced Corbyn, and had a concrete brexit plan. It is not too late.

trewser what about the brexit party vote?

People who write off all the concerns about Labour policies, Momentum and Corbyn as 'Tory propaganda' are no better than Brexiteers who wrote off all concerns as 'project fear'.

Nah, think people are sensible and think Boris has a deal, so its fine. Don't underestimate how bored everyone is with Brexit. And yes, I realise its the start of a long road, but most people just want it done.

They've basically replaced him with John McDonnell. It's not helping.

inebriati Thank you. I am not alone, far from it. The minute I try to discuss it I am silenced by insults. The election is next month, as far as I can see the policies are going in the wrong direction, in fact I would go as far as to say they are the opposite of the labour I know and love.

I agree whole heartedly about equality in our society, but we seem to now have very different visions on how to get there. I can think of better uses for the 200 billion on the utilities. I can't say any of this because you get called tory scum or whatever.

If Labour were to listen, to read public opinion then they would be in a stronger position. End of. A new leader would also be very helpful.

treswer

They've basically replaced him with John McDonnell. It's not helping

I do wish people would stop saying Corbyn has lost his marbles, got dementia, is going blind, has lost the plot, is stepping down to John next month etc. It is not helping matters. I don't like Corbyn but it is not nice to say he has been entirely replaced in all but name.

I would prefer a different labour leader, but that is not the same as wishing he had ill health etc.

I’m a secondary school teacher, a member of the Labour Party and have a child at a lovely private school.

Then you’re a massive hypocrite mistletoe. What’s wrong with the state school you teach at for your child?

Considermesometimes - The political parties positions on Brexit may be incoherent but the realities are getting very simple.

Tories - say Brexit with a deal (lie) Reality is no deal Brexit, as I explained BoJo will run out the clock with impunity this time so we'll crash out officially in 2020.

Labour - say they will negotiate a better, closer deal with the EU and then put that deal to a people's vote. Reality - they cannot reopen and renegotiate the WA. The EU will not do it, and they are not bluffing. All Labour can do is have a people's vote - leave with no deal or remain.

Brexit party -say leave with no deal. Reality - they may come closest to achieving what they actually say if they make a coalition government with the tories in the outcome that the tories fall short of a majority. A tory majority will be a win for them anyway as that will also result in a no deal Brexit.

Lib Dems - say they will revoke if they win. Reality (and of course they know it) is that they will not get a majority, that's an absolute pipe dream and no chance in hell of revoking. Their best chance is a coalition gov and again I think Swinson will of course join a Labour coalition government if the opportunity arises, no matter what she says now. Reality for the Lib Dems is that a coalition government is the only chance for them to be in government and they would use the opportunity to again try to change the voting system - their long term goal that they failed to achieve last time.

The whole situation is a mess.

Mistletoe

Op, i didn't say anything about Corbyn's health. I read an article in the Times where they said JMCD was leader in all but name.

dapple The same poster, who told me it will be perfectly okay when all the private schools close around here and my kids are in a class of 45/50+ or more because her child will have a home tutor. Even though she works in a state school.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. She has no issue with class numbers, or the schools struggling to cope because it won't affect her or her children's future. She will go ahead and vote for Corbyn anyway whatever he does to the schools, and sod the rest of us.