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Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 09:20

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

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BertrandRussell · 06/11/2019 10:15

“ Because it is a deal breaker for me, because I just can not vote for him.”

So you’d vote Labour if it wasn’t for Corbyn? Hmm

recrudescence · 06/11/2019 10:19

I’m not sure if you have understood Labour’s aims if you think it is in favour of privatisation.

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:20

mistle Some of your list just isn't correct, if it was we would not be in this position in the first place.

£10 per hr minimum wage

The MW is going up next year anyway

Tuition fees abolished
Labour have not said this, or are likely to abolish Tuition fees. It was dropped back in 2017.

Free nursery places for 2-4 year olds

We have that already at 3 years old

Scrap SAT exams

Where have they said that?

No privatisation of the NHS

That isn't happening full stop whoever wins.

No fracking

Fracking has just been scrapped.

Renationalisation of the railways

It is going to cost an absolute fortune! And for a sub standard service. Do you remember how bad they were before they were privatised?? Obviously not.

Making big companies pay their fair share of tax

I sincerely hope they do this, but my guess is the big companies will simply relocate out of the UK! This would be truly awful for the country, who will pay for everything if no one wants to stay in the UK?

I don't think you have thought any of this through.

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recrudescence · 06/11/2019 10:20

So you’d vote Labour if it wasn’t for Corbyn? hmm

Yes, I would.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 06/11/2019 10:20

You shouldn’t vote for a single person anyway. You should vote for the party’s policies. Labour’s manifesto is great. We’d all have better lives with, for once, with big organisations ( who have replaced all the tiny businesses who did actually pay taxes) PAYING INTO THIS COUNTRY. As they should.
Think of all the nurses, doctors, teachers, teaching assistants, roads etc etc those billions would pay for.

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BertrandRussell · 06/11/2019 10:22

“ So you’d vote Labour if it wasn’t for Corbyn? hmm

Yes, I would.”

In your opinion, would the policies be different?

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:23

Bert If Labour returned to their normal centre ground position and replaced the leader with someone like Starmer or Harman, I would have obviously have no qualms about continuing my membership of the party, and of course voting for them in every election, as I have always done. My issue is Corbyn AND his new policies, not the old ones.

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Mistlewoeandwhine · 06/11/2019 10:23

If big companies DID leave the country, eg amazon, boots, Starbucks etc it would be no loss at all. They’d be replaced by thousands of independent coffee shops, book shops, chemists etc, all of whom WOULD pay their taxes. The country would be better off and we might start to have something more akin to town centre life again.

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:25

Have you read the manifesto this year Mistle? You seem to be quoting the 2017 manifesto. It is not great now. It is not great at all, the policies are even worse than 2017 for those of us that are moderate.

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Rainbunny · 06/11/2019 10:26

I can't stand Corbyn but I've sort of made my peace with him as pm because I think the fate of the UK will be horrendous if Boris is PM (and likely he still will be). I'm hoping for a coalition government between the Lib Dems and most likely Labour - at least this could reign in some of Corbyn's more extreme plans. My best hope (pipe dream) is a Lib Dem coalition government with the SNP/Greens/Plaid Cymru etc... I actually don't know if that's remotely possible but it would be the least worst outcome in my view given the choices we have before us :(

I'm in seat where the Tories have no chance of winning and it's a close run choice between Labour and the Lib Dem candidates, still not sure which way to go.

MustardScreams · 06/11/2019 10:26

God I’m getting really sick of these faux naive posts about Labour (and others).

If you don’t want to vote Labour, don’t. You don’t need to make a big post about it. You can just tick a different box in the polling station.

I’m all for political discussions, but these incessant posts from Tory bots pretending to be Labour voters are incredibly dull. Must try harder.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 06/11/2019 10:26

The 2019 one isn’t finished yet.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 06/11/2019 10:27

MustardScreams: that’s what I think she’s doing too.

BertrandRussell · 06/11/2019 10:28

“My issue is Corbyn AND his new policies, not the old ones.“

Have you had a sneak preview of the Manifesto?

SeaWitchly · 06/11/2019 10:28

I’ll be voting for Labour’s manifesto😊 I quite like Corbyn too.
Hear, hear to the PP who laughed at the thought of being embarrassed at the idea of PM Corbyn on the world stage as opposed to PM BoJo the clown 🤨

CandlesAreHere · 06/11/2019 10:29

God forbid. It will be a disaster for the country’s economy if he and Macdonell get in.

MustardScreams · 06/11/2019 10:29

Also the manifesto hasn’t even been released yet so no idea where op is getting her ‘information’ from.

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:29

Mistle please, please wise up! It won't just be coffee shops and Amazon that leave the UK. It will be the huge multi nationals that keep our country afloat, banks, finance, insurance, pharmaceuticals. If they up and leave we are completely stuffed.

Labour have never taken such a hardline on all of this before - not in my lifetime anyway. It is business and big corporations that unfortunately pays for our hospitals and schools. We can't go back in time. It is a global world now, and we need to hang on to every company we have in the UK. Think of all the people that will lose their jobs for goodness sake it is really important that you understand this.

I am not feeling worried for no good reason, I am feeling worried because we have a very big problem.

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BertrandRussell · 06/11/2019 10:29

@Considermesometimes “ Have you read the manifesto this year Mistle”

Nobody has. It’s not out yet. That’s you busted.

recrudescence · 06/11/2019 10:29

In your opinion, would the policies be different?

No, and I liked the 2017 manifesto. I just won’t vote for someone who, amongst other things, is an anti-semite and who supported the IRA.

MustardScreams · 06/11/2019 10:31

JC isn’t an anti-Semite that supports the IRA FFS 😂😂 Stop using Daily Heil headlines as information:

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:31

'm hoping for a coalition government between the Lib Dems and most likely Labour Jo Swinson ruled out a coalition yesterday with Labour. I think she hates him more than anyone else put together.

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Mistlewoeandwhine · 06/11/2019 10:31

Here’s the 2017 Labour Manifesto if anyone wants to read the actual facts. There is no 2019 manifesto.
labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

Considermesometimes · 06/11/2019 10:34

The 2019 manifesto is just being finalised, but they have already made public many of the pledges. An outline is below:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/03/promises-promises-the-labour-and-tory-spending-pledges

They are campaigning on the pledges as we speak.

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