Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

[Considermesometimes]

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

I think you make s very good point there, OP. Johnson always was a one nation Tory when he was Mayor of London. He uses populist right wing rhetoric when talking about Brexit, but that's because he's competing with Farage. I think that is a mistake, as Farage isn't even standing as a candidate and is most unlikely to win more than a couple of seats at the most. Most likely he won't win any.

I think that for a party to win an overall majority now, they have to win over the centre ground, and Johnson is aiming to do this. The problem there is that those voters are most likely to be Remain supporters and they'll be voting Lib Dem or Green.

I'm cringing at corbyn telling young people he wants them to be able to travel and see other countries. Thereby planting in their heads that brexit will stop them travelling.

I am cringing and feeling ashamed that in modern Britain, many rabbis have to appeal to their followers to vote agaisnt Labour if they want to feel safe?

The most shameful of All^^.

I cringe when Emily thornberry says she is a democrat who as such must respect the ref, then directly switches tack, accuses Boris of being a liar and says she will go to Brussels, get a deal then campaign agaisnt it...

Lots more but I can't be bothered and if I was a hard left Labour activist on here, I'd get off and start using my key board warrior skills on the the labour party central and anti sematism.

That's unless of course I was a zionist who secretly agrees...

Starmer was mortifying on the Good Morning show

Really? What did he do?

I can't warm to Keir Starmer which is a shame as i know he's seen as more of a moderate.

Considermesometimes So how about some actual examples? I can link to several examples of actual, jaw droppingly embarrassing examples of Tories making idiots of themselves on TV- can you do the same for Labour spokespeople?

Starmer said the same thing that Thornberry also announced last week.

Labour's brexit plan is not coherent, Labour will go back to the EU and change the deal, then people like Starmer will vote against their own new deal in a second referendum, because they wish to remain.
How on earth can you possibly expect the EU to work with this policy?? It is beyond ludicrous to plan to vote against your own (surely hard won) deal, and expect the public to support this idea.

Bert I could link many many embarrassing gaffes, and I will if you like, however my issue is not the Labour party currently lack polish or sophistication. My issue is what they pledge to do once they are in government.

The way they are perceived is important, but not more important than policy.

Why not discuss the real issue at hand?

The issues are:

Nationalising Utility companies, not at market value but forcing a price onto the shareholders. This is not good practice, and will put the fear of God into business generally. This is a practice mostly seen in places like Zimbabwe and North Korea not in civilised western countries.

Taxing people's homes and assets, this is will affect many people saving for old age.

Tax hikes for business across the whole country big or small are planned.

Workers choosing their own hours, and reducing the working week to four days, the impact that will have on the economy will be substantial.

Jeremy's view on defence is truly chilling. He does not believe in it at all, not as deterrent or otherwise. We would not be safe.

The biggest concern is that this is just the beginning, I don't think we have even scratched the surface of the rest of the plan actually.

This is not the Labour Party I know and love this for sure.

Considermesometimes - you forgot anti-Semitism.

Why is this something that does not even merit a mention in your long list?in Labour.

THIS MATTERS.

How did we end up in a situation where not only could a bunch of racists seize power in Labour but far worse, where loads of ordinary voters could go la la la and pretend this didn't matter and wasn't even worth discussing???

You shouldn't have to be Jewish to care about the potential PM being a raging anti-Semite who supports and encourages institutional anti-Semitism. All remotely decent people should care about this.

I am absolutely fucking sick of supposedly left-wing or progressive people choosing to completely ignore blatant racism

I think that for a party to win an overall majority now, they have to win over the centre ground

That was always the case for Labour. The only Labour government for the last 40 years was Tony Blair’s. He won 3 elections.
Then he’s called ‘not proper Labour’. Labour hate him. Any moderates in the Labour Party are sneeringly called Blairites. (I’ve seen Tom Watson called a Blairite which just shows an embarrassingly low level of intellect).

Bert sometimes I don't like the way you ask questions because I feel sometimes you do it because you already think you know the answer.

On threads such as this however it's good because like op and others, they answer you in good faith, thereby producing lots of information, contrary to your view which is subsequently ignored or never defended.

The corbyn issue has been skirted around. But we have got to a point where Jews in the UK don't feel safe, and that's a direct, a DIRECT result of this labour party.

But your more interested in an 'insensitive' comment made by posh etonian.

That there is labour's whole problem.

XX The racist undercurrent of labour has already been covered at length, of course it matters!

Are you saying that private school teachers couldn’t cope with the behaviour in state schools?

Lots of private school teachers a ex-state school teachers. A move to private kept them in teaching, they wouldn’t want to go back.

I love the phrase ‘integrate private schools into the state system’, as if they’ll come willingly.

If our Jewish communities do not feel safe in their own country, if Labour MPs are allowed to chant 'hey Jews' on a coach and feel that is acceptable. If any element of racism is allowed to fester in any party, that is of course without question entirely unacceptable. It goes without saying.
It was discussed pages and pages back at length. We are now on page 35. I am trying to move the thread on to the other issues, that are not as pressing or as important as race accepted, but nonetheless are valid reasons for not voting for Labour this winter.

integrate private schools into the state system

Hell would freeze over before private schools allowed this is my best guess. I emailed my Labour MP about this, he said it is Labour's plan to bring private schooling to an end. In black and white as clear as day. I questioned what this would do to our local schools, how would we cope with the intake, and he said there would be funding to deal with it. The magic tree that keeps giving. It was a very woolly answer actually, as I think in reality he does not know.
Email your own Labour MPs and ask them. The party line is most definitely the forced closure of private education in this country.

Considermesometimes S - thank you.

For me, that is the beginning and end of it.

Labour can have the world's best economic and domestic policies - and I do think their economic policies are better than those of other parties on most issues - but it's completely irrelevant. Their anti-Semitism rules them out on those grounds full stop.

Otherwise you end up in a 'well, Hitler improved employment' type arguments, which somewhat ignore the fucking massive elephant in the room.

Labour need a new leader (and those around him) who are prepared to and do tackle the endemic racism in the Party. Only then in is it worth seriously considering their economic and domestic policies. Currently, they no more deserve serious consideration than the EDL or BNP or any other obviously racist party.

if Labour MPs are allowed to chant 'hey Jews' on a coach and feel that is acceptable.

To be fair, that claim has been denied and not corroborated.

630,000 children currently are educated privately, so that is a hell of a number to be flooded into our state system.

And I am frustrated by the hand-wringing that goes on over the minutiae of Labour policies that ignore the racism.

For me, it is existential.

And for most British Jews.

Otherwise you end up in a 'well, Hitler improved employment' type arguments, which somewhat ignore the fucking massive elephant in the room

I sincerely agree with this, you are absolutely right.

Yes, even if it ends up being left out of the manifesto, or something woolly and vague lefr in, it's such a ridiculous, unworkable policy its made them look like idiotd before they've even started.

Corbyn is not a fit person to be PM. End of.

And no, for the record, nor is Boris, clearly.

But at least Boris has only been leader for a few months. Labour have had 4 years to get rid of Corbyn, and it's now crystal clear that the man will never ever stand down of his own volition. A vote for Labour can't be a fantasy vote for a unicorn that does not exist ie a theoretical Labour not led by Corbyn. It is and will be used by Corbyn to shore up his power base in the party.

xx What really shocks me is that we are even having this conversation. I am still horrified actually because I never thought I would see the day that this was an issue in Britain today, or ever.

If you are a British Jew do you feel very threatened by Labour? How has this been allowed to happen in a so called progressive caring party in your view?

noble there is an investigation now, and it is my understanding that more than one journalist heard it on the bus back from Cheltenham. The very fact your position is too immediately defend him is somewhat startling. It was a packed coach with multiple witnesses.

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