Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

[Considermesometimes]

I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

@easyandy101

Thanks for reading it, and admitting that it’s bad.

I'm afraid I go by actions not words of reporters.
JC is fab and done a lot of campaigning for Jews and My people (Romany)
You won't find it advertised you need to delve deep but it's there.

"JC is fab and done a lot of campaigning for Jews"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Is this the old "his mother was at Cable Street" chestnut?

Corbyn is a hideous anti-Semite. I spent the first couple of years hoping against hope that he wasn't, that he just was completely blind to anti-Semitism in his friends and allies but no, really, it goes well beyond that.

Harry Do you honestly think you are the first person to call me a closet tory on this thread!! Sadly you are one of many that feel that just because I feel the current labour party is a disaster, that somehow takes away a lifetime of commitment to the labour party. You can say whatever you like, but I am labour party member, and have always supported them. I don't have to lie and pretend all is well, when in fact we are either headed for a total disaster at the elections (most likely) or even worse Labour will do well and we will never ever get rid of Jeremy and John McDonnell.

And Alsohuman, stop kvetching on here and get reading.

You wanted the evidence, you've got it.

Read it.

Don't presume to comment on something you clearly know nothing about until you do.

Corbyn has been campaigning for Romany people? Please post that link, I haven't seen him doing any such thing, but happy for you to link some evidence to that.

noblegiraffe - thank you.

Alsohuman you clearly have no idea what is going on in this debate.

Don’t be so fucking insulting. Is that really what this erstwhile interesting discussion’s been reduced to?

The title of this thread is “Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?”

Shall we get back to that?

There’s some major hypocrisy going on here.

Our current government are a literal existential threat to another minority group - literal, because under Tory leadership many of them have died unnecessarily.

They have been specifically and deliberately targeted and forced into poverty. Private companies have been paid obscene amounts to carry out dehumanising and biased assessments of their need, rather than just funding what they need, a move that doesn’t save the country money.

They’re dehumanised by the press. Turned into hate figures and scapegoats. Experienced a huge increase in hate crime.

The tories have created an extremely unsafe environment for this group. Ideological cuts and policies have forced them out of education, and prevented them from accessing the health and social care they need.

Where are the daily headlines about the Tory persecution of disabled people?

Where are the people stating that anyone voting Tory is an ableist bigot?

This isn’t a hypothetical situation. This is happening right now, under this government, to millions of disabled people, including my children.

The way some posters are talking about Labour voters is utterly hypocritical.

Polls apparently reveal that the vast majority of Jewish people in Britain vote Tory.

The difference is that I welcome investigation into anti-semitism in the Labour Party, and any actions necessary to stamp it out. I do not believe that Corbyn is a racist, and nor has any investigation proven that he is. I would absolutely support his removal if that’s the findings, and indeed the removal of any members who are complicit.

Where is the condemnation of the Conservative party over their treatment of disabled people?

My daughter is disabled. Her education has been trashed by cuts in education and SEN funding. Her future looks bleak with the changes the Tories have made to disability benefits.

That is a form of prejudice I would like discussed here.

xx

*"If you are a British Jew do you feel very threatened by Labour? How has this been allowed to happen in a so called progressive caring party in your view?"

Yes, I am, and yes, I do*

I am genuinely upset that this is happening to you, and I feel aggrieved by this, and withdraw my support for such a party. It does not even have the decency to understand the pain or the fear it is causing.

I am moved by your posts, I don't care that you are angry in some of your posts, I think anyone would be in your position. I want you to know that many labour voters simply do not understand this issue at all, it is ignorance xx Many have no idea the level of pain this is causing.

I would rather spoil my vote than support a labour like this.

Would like to be discuss here.

I would rather spoil my vote than support a labour like this

Or just vote Tory as usual.

Not voting is going to help is it?

I can see your point but not voting is never the answer.

The Tories have also caused immeasurable pain to many many people in this country.

They may not realise who is responsible yet. Austerity is rarely talked about on these threads.

Perhaps we should start now.

dusty it is interesting that you want to change the subject now? Convenient that xx speaks of her fear of being a British Jew, she is sharing with us what it has been like for her, she has produced her links and evidence, as if any of us could be in any doubt anyway. And yet now you want get back to the title? Have you nothing to say to xx about her experience? Her fears? Her very real feeling that she is threatened and indeed damaged by parts of the labour party.

I don’t know, voting for Boris is like voting for Trump and voting for Corbyn... is like voting for whatever because he cannot properly establish what on earth does he want.

I love my labour MP but this time I’m voting LD. I know is a wasted vote as the chances of winning are... nil. But I don’t want to spend the next few years knowing that I helped to put an extremist in power with my vote.

@Considermesometimes, this thread has been about nothing else for 12 hours and God only knows how many pages now. Presumably you have nothing to say about how disabled people are treated? Or don’t they matter?

I’ve just seen on twitter that there are apparently real time WhatsApp messages backing up the claims, in which case Carden should stand down

And has Carden stood down noble? No, he has not. It is absolute disgrace. How is that even a thing that Labour MPs can chant racist songs, and not one person seemingly stopped him, pulled him up or reminded him that it is racist. How can a coach load of people have listened to that and stayed silent? I imagine it would be a coach load of people that feel that kind of sentiment is perfectly okay.

And you are actually asking me why I can't support them any longer?????????

Where is their humanity? Where is their sense of decency?

WTAF is going on!!!!

There is definitely not okay.

also I did not start a thread about disabled people, you are very welcome to start one if you want to. I started a thread about my disappointment with Corbyn, and the fact I can not and will not support the current labour party.

And you think the treatment of disabled people by the Tories has nothing to do with this debate? After @Deathgrip’s post?

And you think the treatment of disabled people by the Tories has nothing to do with this debate? After @Deathgrip’s post?

I don't support the tories.

The title of this thread is “Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?”

Shall we get back to that?

Yes - no one with any sense would want a man who has allowed the Labour Party to become riddled with antisemitism to become PM. Imagine if he did to the country what he’s already done to the Labour Party!