Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Nice tries by Corbyn supporters to deflect from discussing anti-Semitism in Labour to discussing Johnson's coat*

FFS. That's really weak

I’m not a Corbyn fan or a Labour voter. I’m merely pointing out how Johnson can behave even more reprehensibly and no mention is made.

If you can see that Islamaphobia is a problem in the Tory party why don’t you keep bringing that up as well?

Of course antisemitism is not ok. No kind of prejudice is ok. But why are you going on and on about one form of racism when you know other forms of prejudice are prevalent in politics too?

Sorry that was directed at OP.

Own your racism. Justify it. Then fuck off

Pleasant.

@easyandy101 here you go, a thread of over 125 elected Labour officials and their antisemitism.

twitter.com/gnasherjew/status/1151105418283880448?s=21

Be warned, it contains exceptionally unpleasant antisemitism that really can’t be confused with ‘support for Palestine’.

That’s not how it works. If you don’t provide evidence, particularly when asked for it, you can’t expect to be taken seriously.

Oh, you want evidence of Labour antisemitism? I'm glad you asked! Here's your evidence:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jewish-labour-movement-wont-campaign-for-corbyn_uk_5dba8d6fe4b066da552c4e2b

The Jewish Labour Movement will not campaign for Jeremy Corbyn in the coming election and will support only a handful of MPs who have battled against anti-Semitism in the party.

Labour’s oldest affiliate organisation announced that for the first time in its 100-year history it would not be backing the party nationally because of the culture of anti-Jewish hate that had been “allowed to fester at all levels” since Corbyn became leader.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-50344324

Clacton Labour candidate quits over 'Shylock' comment

A Labour candidate has pulled out of the election race over using an anti-semitic remark.

Gideon Bull denied calling a Jewish councillor Shylock directly but admitted using the term during a private meeting.

The Haringey councillor, who was standing in Clacton, Essex, said he did not realise the Shakespearean character was a Jew.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-general-election-latest-kate-ramsden-resign-corbyn-israel-child-abuse-a9193926.html

A Labour general election candidate has quit after it emerged she likened the actions of the Israeli government to those of a child abuser.

Kate Ramsden stood down over a blog post in which she also reportedly alleged that antisemitism claims against Jeremy Corbyn were “orchestrated by the wealthy establishment”.

The Jewish Labour Movement said the reality was that it “had been shunned and our views ignored”, adding: “There are hundreds of outstanding cases yet to be resolved.”

Here's the evidence. Will you finally accept the truth that Labour does indeed have a serious problem with antisemitism, or will no amount of evidence convince you of reality?

If you can see that Islamaphobia is a problem in the Tory party why don’t you keep bringing that up as well?

Look at the thread title?

Dusty01

Of course antisemitism is not ok. No kind of prejudice is ok. But why are you going on and on about one form of racism when you know other forms of prejudice are prevalent in politics too?

Then I'll ask you again, since you don't seem to understand the question:

Do you not think that it is incredibly damaging for the Labour Party, that claims anti-racism as the bedrock of its morality, to be riddled with, er, racists?

It would be a bit like the Greens being full of oil executives and plane manufacturers, or the SNP full of English Nationalists...

Messed up his timing, did a weird lob with the wreath rather than placing it, and put it down upside down.

I missed that, will have to go and have a look.

easyandy101 - either you're a Momentum/Russian Bot (is there a difference?) or you're an anti-Semitic troll.

i don't even vote labour i think they're a bunch of cunts

@easyandy101 here you go, a thread of over 125 elected Labour officials and their antisemitism.

Thank you, will have a read

Alsohuman - "If you don’t provide evidence, [about anti-Semitism] particularly when asked for it, you can’t expect to be taken seriously."

OK - read all the twitter threads here - it will take you a long time as between them they have reported thousands of people to Labour for anti-Semitism. Make sure you don't come back till you've read the last 4 years' worth of specific accusations against specific Labour members/councillors/MPs including Corbyn.

twitter.com/LabourAgainstAS
labouragainstas.org.uk/
twitter.com/GnasherJew

I also recommend reading the posts of the following, either Jews or allies, who post a lot about the subject, though not exclusively:
twitter.com/Sara_Rose_G
twitter.com/HeidiBachram
twitter.com/OzKaterji

I could give you dozens of others. If you're genuinely interested, lol.

Then you can either a) apologise or b) own your racism and fuck off.

HarryElephante - you expect me to be pleasant to anti-Semites?

Why??????

i don't even vote labour i think they're a bunch of cunts

Ah, I love the Tories.

Thank you @xxyzz, see you can do it.

HarryElephante - you expect me to be pleasant to anti-Semites?

The people you were conversing with on here are probably not anti-Semites, so telling them to fuck off is not particularly pleasant in my view. But you act as you see fit. As will I. As will everyone else.

HarryElephante - on the contrary, the people I was conversing with were denying my experience, as a British Jew, of anti-Semitism in Corbyn's Labour.

So whether they are aware of it or not, they are anti-Semites. As are you, if you are defending it.

It's not my job to educate racists. It's their responsibility to read widely before forming views. And it is never the job of anyone to tell the victims of racism that they, as non-members of that race, know better than they do what they have experienced it.

I don't go around telling black people or Muslims or gay people that I know more about the discrimination that face than they do, as a non-black, non-Muslim, non-gay person. Let alone suggest that they are only lying about the discrimination they face for political reasons. Because that would fairly clearly be an outrageously racist/Islamophobic/homophobic thing to do.

That you think it's just fine where Jews are concerned tells me - and everyone else, while we're bringing them into it - everything we need to know about you and your views.

Alsohuman - hope you're reading through the last 4 years' worth of threads.

I don't expect you to come back and comment on anti-Semitism in Labour until you've read the entire lot.

Should take you a good long time.

I look forward to your (rather embarrassed) apology.

So whether they are aware of it or not, they are anti-Semites. As are you, if you are defending it.

This is not the case but good luck with everything.

I have nothing to apologise for. I haven’t challenged anything you’ve said, other than to point out that a refusal to provide supporting evidence isn’t in the spirit of informed debate.

Ah, I love the Tories.

That's worse than being called a labour supporter

@Alsohuman I’ve seen other Jews now refusing to answer requests for evidence that there’s an antisemitism issue in Labour because
A) the information is out there, a quick google will reveal all
B) the requests are often not made in good faith
C) constantly requiring minorities to do lots of leg work to justify claims of racism instead of believing them or doing your own research isn’t acceptable.

I did do a quick google but didn't come up with that Twitter thread, which is a harsh read

Request was made in good faith, i am non partisan aside from disliking either of the main parties

I’m sorry @noblegiraffe, but that’s just plain bollocks. Anyone with an education beyond primary level is trained to provide supporting evidence. Otherwise anyone could say anything and expect their view to be blindly accepted.

@Alsohuman sorry I forgot an important one

D) constantly requiring that minorities re-experience racism by reading the appalling evidence while collating it for you is unacceptable.

This thread twitter.com/gnasherjew/status/1151105418283880448?s=21 the one I linked to of elected Labour officials being antisemitic is upsetting to read. I find it deeply disturbing and I’m not Jewish. Forcing Jews to read it so that it can then be disregarded by people who actually don’t give a shit anyway, is a foul thing to do.

@Alsohuman you clearly have no idea what is going on in this debate.

Sure, ask for evidence the first time. But Jews are being asked for evidence over and over and over and over and over and over, and like I said, the requests are often not in good faith.