Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

If I was a PE teacher in private school there is no way I could do the same job at state school.

Why?

*What do teachers do now when they leave?

If I was a PE teacher in private school there is no way I could do the same job at state school.*

Teachers aren’t flooding the job market in droves now, according to you they would be. What an indictment of the quality of a private school teacher that they’re not fit to teach in a state school.

What do you mean not fit?

fedup2 have you seen the state of state school PE?

I actually support most of Labour's economic policies. I am left wing.

However, the reality is, however much Corbyn supporters might be trying to turn the conversation away from this, a vote for Labour under Corbyn is a vote for a virulent racist. Surrounded by racists.

I feel bad for the many decent, non-racist Labour MPs (particularly the ones Corbyn's mates tried to deselect unsuccessfully because they attacked his anti-Semitism) but the reality is that a vote for Corbyn is a vote for racism with impunity.

And if you for Corbyn, that is what you are voting for.

And no, I'm not saying vote Tory either as yes, they are also clearly racist (though less overtly than Labour currently) but also espouse economic policies that clearly harm ordinary people. And that goes X 2 for the Brexit Party.

But vote for any of the others. There are many - Green, Lib Dem, SNP, etc etc depending where you live.

We need to get away from this false dichotomy, that a vote not for a Labour led by Corbyn automatically = a vote for the Tories. It does not.

I'm a former teacher, BTW. Now working in a completely different industry. Shock news - teachers can get other jobs shocker!

Who knew?

What a stupid conversation.

So yes, if you are an anti-Semite, vote Labour.

If you think anti-Semitism doesn't matter ie are an anti-Semite but in denial, vote Labour.

If you're a normal human being with a conscience, don't vote Labour.

And don't vote Tory either unless you really want no NHS and an economy dictated by Trump.

That still leaves you loads of choice, though.

“The existence of private schools is not the reason why state education is underfunded.“
No. But it is one of the reasons that the people in power generally don’t give a fuck about state education. They haven’t experiences it and aren’t going to use it.

I believe the current Education Secretary was state educated.

*And don't vote Tory either unless you really want no NHS and an economy dictated by Trump.

That still leaves you loads of choice, though.*

This is very true. I did consider voting for the Green Party for the first time, but in my constituency Labour are the only party who are in a position to keep the Tories out. (It was previously a Labour seat.)

So I'll be voting tactically, but I have misgivings about Corbyn and McDonnell. Thankfully, they're very likely to gain an overall majority and, if they do win the election as the largest party in a hung Parliamentary, they'll have to make a deal with another party.

I'm not voting Labour this time.

I work from home so listen to a LOT of radio interviews from many different stations, daily politics, PMQ's even the Parliament channel. I don't read particular newspapers. I have no historical affinity with any political party. I'm a classic floating voter.99% of what I hear comes directly from the mouths of politicians. Directly.

It's not just Corbyn, it's a lot of the front bench. Emily Thornbury is particularly awful at interviews. She stumbles and pauses and hums and hahs her way through difficult interviews. Diane Abbott is atrocious at putting an argument together. John Mcdonell gives me chills. Even party chairmen like Ian Lavery come across as shouty, angry and very unhinged.
The only one I kind of like is Tom Watson and now he's gone.

I will admit I don't like many of labours current policies. Yes, I know the manifesto isn't out yet but many of the pledges I hear I think will be bad news economically for the country and at a time (Brexit) when we need to be as attractive and open to business as possible.
I don't send my dcs to private school. In fact I'm a school governor at my dcs Secondary school and I know very well the current challenges, however seeing the young lanky boys with very posh accents jumping up and down for joy at Labour Conference shrieking "Lets abolish Eton!" (Cue huge cheering, chanting and bleating).....its just so childish to me. Also, deciding the Brexit position in a show of hands in a packed room where half the delegates couldn't get in, then the chairwoman saying it went one way then being 'told' it had gone another - just chaos. I saw this all with my own eyes, unedited.

On Thursday this week a labour candidate for Pudsey left 12 minutes silence on the radio (12 minutes!! Dead air!) because she was trying to defend another labour candidate who had said she would gladly celebrate the death of Tony Blair. She just couldn't answer it but tried to, after 12 minutes silence. It was embarrassing beyond belief.

I don't like being told I'm a sheep, naive or gullable for not liking the Labour Party currently. I've voted in 7 general elections in my life. I know what I'm doing.

What an indictment of the quality of a private school teacher that they’re not fit to teach in a state school.
In that case why would these newly formed state schools want the private school teachers if they are of such poor quality?

Millicent I totally agree.

Bertrand I totally disagree with you.

Many people on mumsnet, just like the Labour Party have been privately educated, grammar school educated or home educated and have no experience themselves of a tough comp. But they want to get rid of all other types of schooling!

People rail about eton educated torys not understating the person on the the streets troubles. I am person on street and yet I find current labour party as the one who doesn't understand the issues I face or care about them.

Milicentbystander72 I know it’s not the point, but just out of interest, do you think the Tory spokespeople come across better?

have you seen the state of state school PE

I don’t get your point. Are you saying that private school teachers couldn’t cope with the behaviour in state schools? Can you expand on what you mean?

I totally agree that if you fund the state schools properly then they MIGHT be more appealing to those private school parents who are on the fence about private education. I know in my area at least, the state primaries are so good it has really hit the independent prep schools (although lack of SATS and now no CE training is starting to make them slightly more popular from a wellbeing perspective). If you want to abolish private education, you firstly need to make state education attractive enough to make parents ask if the extortionate fees are really worth it.

I don’t think for a minute that private schools are going to be abolished. But if they are, one benefit will be a pool of well qualified experienced teachers looking for gainful employment.

bert I haven't changed the policies that I support, and indeed what most of the labour have endorsed for the last twenty plus years and suddenly verged towards the right! Of course I haven't!

No, I have stayed exactly the same. The conservatives have definitely moved over to the left with their policies, it is ironic that very rarely have we have ever seen such a left wing election campaign from one nation tories, and Labour have become so very hard left. That the middle ground isn't even there anymore. I haven't changed! The parties have. It is unkind to label me a born again one nation tory bert when you know as well as I have that both parties have really changed, and I have remained the same in my outlook more or less.

I do think Boris is very left wing in places actually. I feel the conservatives pledges match very well to the old policies of Labour under Blair. Far from becoming very hard right, I feel the tories are doing the opposite, planning more investment, more social change etc. It is not very traditional of the conservative to be investing so much into our public services, but they seem to be pledging to do so.

I am only saying what many others are saying.

Jeremy seems to be ushering in a very hardcore socialist agenda. Taking over the utilities not by arrangement with those companies, but by force because they will pay the shareholders whatever they think it is worth, and not the market value, and take it back into state hands with or without agreement. I don't agree with this at all, and it sets a dangerous precedent.

LP plan to:
Tax people's houses
Tax people's savings
Tax people's jobs

The old Labour party would not have done this.

Along with the four day week (with workers 'choosing' what hours they work!) etc this is an enormous change of such magnitude it makes me wonder if everyone on this thread even fully understands the impact it is going to have.

Bert to be fair - often no, they make huge gaffs and embarrassing statements that they have to immediately apologise for (JRM last week). However, in my opinion and considerable opportunity to listen live to this stuff I'm more often cringing at Labour.

Sorry.

What is is Labour equivalent of the JRM et al debacle last week? Or Johnson and the model buses?

What was the last Labour statement that made you cringe?

Most you will be too young to remember 1970 labour "leadership". I was mocked recently by a younger woman who told me "it wasn't that bad".

I'm afraid that "winter of discontent" lead me away from Labour politics all that time ago as it was a time of strikes, strikes of gas and electric, NHS strikes, no bins collected and at times the dead unburied. There was such anger and hatred and the country was financially on it's knees.

The decades have rolled by but again there is the same type of politician leading Labour. There is talk of intimidation in the party, hatred of racial groups and women are marginalised by "woke" agenda.

I will not vote for a labour government while it is lead by this far left ideology.

Their Brexit plan.

bert Ian Austin made me cringe and wince declaring we . So does Diana Abbott every time she opens her mouth. Starmer was mortifying on the Good Morning show, Emily Thornberry is a thug. Jeremy stutters over every word and can't follow his own notes in the commons. John M's speech in Liverpool should have been great, but it made me worry even more about where they are taking the country. I am not a hardliner, no, I am a moderate labour party supporter, now homeless.