Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Shall did you read the latest rabbis plea?

Makes it very clear he, a jew, lays blame at Corbyns feet.

I cannot believe how some posters are trying to wriggle out of this?

Death grip your defending, the simply, indefensible.

Meanwhile, behind the smoke and mirrors, people are dying in poverty and the tories are getting away with it. They'll keep pointing the finger at Corbyn to avoid anyone looking to closely at them. It's terrifying.

Even the UN are trying to get people to open their eyes and see what the Tory years of austerity have caused. But no, let's talk about what a bad man Corbyn is and let them laugh all the way to the bank.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/un-poverty-austerity-uk-universal-credit-report-philip-alston-a8924576.html%3famp

www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2019/10/childpovertydeaths/

Why on earth would he have done this if he was really an anti-Semite?

Because antisemitism is very different to other forms of racism, people have trouble identifying it.

Racism against ethnic minorities involves the believe that they are inferior. Antisemitic conspiracy theories involve the idea that Jews are actually controlling everything behind the scenes.

This is why you have to be alert to stuff like Jewish MPs being asked if they are being funded by Israel, or references to the ‘Israel Lobby’ trying to control British politics. Or George Soros or the Rothschilds. Different names for the same old conspiracy theories.

Can you tell I'm just a bit angry about this?

You should be angry about it, xxyzz, as should anyone except outright apologists. The only thing I'd take issue with is that "Oh, I didn't notice, I didn't realise" isn't going to wash because folk have been told. Tragically it didn't work last time and I don't believe it will work this

Oh, and I imagine you've noticed that with any other group, those who willingly associate with racists or fail to call them out are deemed to be a major part of the problem. Except when it's a preferred politician it seems - and except when those being persecuted are Jews, who apparently have to be instructed in what's racism and what isn't

Death grip your defending, the simply, indefensible

Where? What have I defended?

On the far right Vs far left, I livre in a town where EDL and UAF have protested do you know something, both rent a mobs trouble causers.

The funniest thing is the UAF who seem to really oppose free speech, they really do unless you agree with them, protested about Nick Griffin being on question time the thing is it's best thing he did, he destroyed his party on there, sometimes you have the let people look idiots rather than prevent it.

Far right, far left the have different ideas but it's about controling people.

Rightly or wrongly, I honestly believe it's not that some actively want the current Tory lot in power - more that it's felt Labour would be even worse

Yes- that's how I feel. I am worried about leaving the EU, education and the NHS under a conservative government. But, I think as a family we would be much worse off under a labour government and don't think JC is a viable leader. I have said a few times why I think this.

@mummyrocks1
Can you specify how you would become worse off under a labour government ?

As I understand tax rises are only applicable for incomes over £85,000 (hardly unreasonable)?!?

@HeresMe I hope you're not implying labour is hard left?

They really aren't...
Just Murdoch Britain would prefer you saw it that way

I'm not implying they are was replying to people's comparisons between the right and left.

Nah labour are useless you have Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell heading the party, I don't want another 5 years of Conservatives but come on give us a better alternative than them.

Tiddletattle- dh has his own business which is our sole income. I worry about labours polices which could put small businesses out of business. He simply can't afford to pay 12 months maternity Leave and 4 weeks paternity. Will JC put up taxes? Can I trust he won't?

I worry larger businesses who use DHs services will leave under a labour government. I feel they are giving too much power to workers and trade unions. I worry labour is setting an environment where small/medium businesses won't want to grow and develop because if they reach a certain level or employ x number of people they will be hit by big taxes, have to put all these policies for workers into place. It's stopping people like DH striving to do better.

My dc go to private school, not funded by us, I don't want their school shut down.

I am lucky enough to be set for some inheritance, hopefully. Not a huge amount, of it's not swollen up by care home fees. I don't want it myself but want to pass it down to my children so they can afford to buy a house when they are old enough. Nothing flash but something to set them up. Dh and I wouldn't be able to do that for them ourselves. I don't want that all swollen up by inheritance tax.

It's a moral dilemma for me. I hate what the tories are doing but I simply can't risk gambling DHs business

He won't get half of those policies through parliament, the House of Lords won't back a seizure of assets!

But, I agree that I am disappointed that the Labour Party has kept him. Still think they are the lesser of the two evils.

I think Corbyn is the least of our worries ...

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Are you lot for real?
I look through these threads and lots of reasoned arguments are made and then the responses are just the same over and over? Have you listened to what was said?

I should clarify - my response was to @mummyrocks1

And this doesn't look too good for the Conservative party either.

www.theguardian.com/news/2019/nov/09/tory-islamophobia-hancock-accused-of-trying-to-isolate-warsi

As I understand tax rises are only applicable for incomes over £85,000 (hardly unreasonable)?!?

If you believe that will raise enough to pay for all of Labour’s spending pledges then I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in buying.

@Dusty01 - I had a huge wave of deja then, I could have sworn I posted that somewhere tonight 😉

Dusty Tories clearly have an islamophobia issue that they are trying to hush up, while pointing fingers at labour re. antisemitism

If you believe that will raise enough to pay for all of Labour’s spending pledges then I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in buying.

They’re going to borrow - just like the Tories.

It’s true that the Tories have an Islamophobia issue. That doesn’t mean Labour doesn’t have an antisemitism problem.

Just a note - the Tories privatised - labour wants to put services back in the public hands, not making shareholders rich.

I only read two pages and already wincing at privatising utilities - nationalising ffs!

I agree though op. Voting Lib Dem for the first time in 25 year voting career.