Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

When people post about abusive relationships, I can’t count how many times have I seen written here “when he shows you who he is, believe him”.

The tories have been showing us who they are for the last decade. Why aren’t people believing them?

It’s an exemplar of a toxic relationship - don’t leave me, other men are far worse than I am.

Except they’re not.

@Deathgrip read the manifestos

I read his planned education policies, you slated me for saying they were shit, then when I gave more detail about my concerns, you responded with an Angela Rayner soundbite, then ignored my response.

Don’t assume that everyone who has issues with Labour don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s clear you don’t know about education policy.

That’s not what happened. You posted saying they would fuck up achools quickly. I responded that the tories are already doing so.

You posted saying they wanted to abolish Ofsted and SATs. I posted a quote from Raynor explaining their thinking and that Oftsed only exacerbates inequality and deprivation, and that I agree.

You disagree. That’s your prerogative. Obviously me telling you I think you’re wrong isn’t going to change your mind. I have no issues with people discussing policy and personal beliefs about it, I’ve been trying to ask people to quantify their opinions. You did so - again, what you believe is your choice and I have no issue with you holding an informed opinion even if it’s different from mine.

And the manifesto isn’t out yet, so that is still my advice.

JC net worth is around £3 million.
Not bad for a career left wing politician.
His pension pot is estimated at £1.6 million so again not bad for left wing career politician.
www.spearswms.com/jeremy-corbyn-net-worth/

Is that different from any other senior politician? When the article says “claimed from the state” or words to that effect, does it mean “salary”?

@Deathgrip How will abolishing the inspectorate and externally assessed accountability measures improve school standards?

Corbyn couldn’t bring himself to sing the national anthem during the Battle of Britain memorial service.

He Shows no respect for history. The lives of the men and women that have sacrificed their lives for this country.
A party leader that can’t sing our national anthem is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Are we still blathering on about the national anthem? Why don’t you bitch about his coat while you’re at it?

So we’re going to base our country’s future for the next five years on failure to sing God Save the Queen? Scraping the barrel now.

Again, how is this relevant? How does it make him a hypocrite? He owns a house in London, purchased at a time when London properties were a fraction of their current value.

Now if he were raking in big cash and saying high earners should be taxed more but avoiding tax himself, that would make him a hypocrite.

Instead he’s saying that high earners such as himself should be paying more in, and he’s going to bring in legislation that would require him to do so.

It’s the opposite of hypocrisy. As the tories on these threads like to suggest, it’s easy to believe in socialism when you have nothing. If someone is pushing for policies that will leave them worse off financially for the good of the country, that’s called integrity, not hypocrisy.

It’s basically the opposite of what men like Cameron and Johnson have done - remember Cameron, that man who rightly claimed the disability benefits to which his child was entitled, and then went on to decimate the disability benefits system? Yeah, that guy.

And as for this:
Over 30 years, he has claimed over £3 million from the state alone. This is £1.5 million more than a normal MP.

I don’t think I’ve ever read a more disingenuous statement in my entire life. He hasn’t “claimed” £3m from the state. He’s been paid it, for doing his job, in service of the country for 35 years. The man doesn’t even exploit his expenses FFS, even before the scandal. Have a look:
www.mpsexpenses.info/?#!/mp/226

Show his character and feelings about his country’s history. That’s all I need to know.

How will abolishing the inspectorate and externally assessed accountability measures improve school standards?

How can we know until they publish their manifesto and we find out what alternatives they want to implement?

Yes, he’s earnt twice as much than the average MP, because he’s been an MP far more than twice as long and because he’s now a party leader.

What’s Boris Johnson’s net worth? Or is it only people with morals who have to prove it by being poor?

Do people honestly believe that Amazon, McDonald’s, Topshop et al will pull out of the U.K.? Won’t happen

I guess it depends what anyone perceives "pulling out" to be. Obviously they won't stop selling in the UK, but they'll certainly arrange official locations and tax affairs in ways which best suit themselves ... and in fact most already do

What really won't happen is for them to hesitate for the sake of UK tax receipts

How can we know until they publish their manifesto and we find out what alternatives they want to implement

Because they already said they’re replacing Ofsted with a man with a clipboard from the Local Authority?

schoolsweek.co.uk/confirmed-labour-would-scrap-ofsted/

“ He Shows no respect for history. The lives of the men and women that have sacrificed their lives for this country” And for us to have the freedom to sing, or not sing God Save the Queen as our conscience dictates.

As this RAF veteran points out, there’s nothing offensive about refusing to the sing the national anthem, but getting people to focus on that is a great way to distract from the actual government’s actions.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-not-singing-the-national-anthem-isn-t-offensive-says-wwii-raf-veteran-10503362.html

That’s all the coverage of Corbyn ever is, bluster and misdirection.

I take it all the people here saying they won’t vote Labour because Corbyn has said x or y, won’t vote Tory because of Johnson’s comments about Muslim women, “picaninny smiles”, JRM’s recent comments about Grenfell and likening a Doctor trying to prepare for Brexit to Andrew bloody Wakefield?

Did you even read the article you linked to yourself, or are you just trying to sway the opinions of those who CBA to click on it?

Because that’s not what it says, is it?

No, we won’t vote Labour because of their socialist economics, contempt for Britain, and general incompetence. Hope that helps!

and in fact most already do

Indeed. So tell me again why this is a disaster waiting to happen?

You think it’s Labour who display contempt for Britain, and general incompetence?

Well that’s the most ironic thing I’ve read today!

Are you paying any attention to what’s been going on in this country over the last decade?

You think man exudes competence?
apple.news/AxEXKh__bRT20MgHbWwEYag
(If you haven’t already seen this video, you really need to watch it)

As for contempt... ask the poor, disabled, and homeless people of this country about Tory contempt.

You think it’s Labour who display contempt for Britain?

I do indeed - Corbynite Labour is precisely that kind of lefty sect that “would feel more ashamed of 
standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a 
poor box”, as Orwell once astutely put it.

For them, everything in the world is Britain’s fault, and the very concept of national pride is treated as a joke. That’s their right, but unfortunately for them it creates a fatal problem for a party trying to win democratic elections in Britain...

“ You think it’s Labour who display contempt for Britain?

I do indeed”
You’ve never mentioned it before- maybe the God Save the Queen thing was new to you?
Word to the wise- you are making yourself look a bit silly.