Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Word to the wise- you are making yourself look a bit silly.

No offence, Bertrand, but the day I take your advice is the day Corbyn stops being a clapped-out socialist twat. In other words, it’ll never happen!

More unquantifiable nonsense. At least you’re consistent I suppose.

When you have some actual evidence in their policies of this contempt (since policies are what actually matter here, or should be), I’m happy to discuss them. Do you have any?

I posted a good 20+ links in a post a few pages back demonstrating the devastating impact of the tories’ contempt for Britain. Do I need to post them again?

I take it all the people here saying they won’t vote Labour because Corbyn has said x or y, won’t vote Tory because of Johnson’s comments about Muslim women, “picaninny smiles”, JRM’s recent comments about Grenfell and likening a Doctor trying to prepare for Brexit to Andrew bloody Wakefield?

That’s right, I won’t be voting for either of them. Luckily there are other options.

Are there? Viable options who could actually unseat the Tories at this GE?

Contempt for Britain? Because he doesn't sing a song about God saving our monarch. So, it's not acceptable to hold atheist or republican views without contempt for Britain?

I manage to be patriotic without believing in God or Royalism. Shocker!

No one won the last election. If no one wins a majority in this one (which is what I’m hoping), then how many MPs the other parties have becomes very important.

Not everyone lives in a Labour/Tory marginal.

More unquantifiable nonsense.

Someone must have once told you that labelling something as "unquantifiable" automatically wins you the argument. I'm afraid I have two pieces of bad news for you:

1. It doesn't.

1. Elections are won by appealing to the feelings of emotional human beings, who don't always make decisions based on what someone thinks is "quantifiable". And once they get a feeling that a party and its leader doesn't really like or understand the country they aspire to govern ... well that can cost them an unquantifiable number of votes!

@noblegiraffe, But does it?

If the Tories are the biggest party, which other party can they rely on to support them? They’ve stuffed it with the DUP, which could also lose some seats. If Labour’s the biggest party, a deal could be done with the SNP and/or the Greens. Jo Swinson says she wouldn’t do a deal but I bet if the Libdems could be king makers she’d change her mind.

Someone must have once told you that labelling something as "unquantifiable" automatically wins you the argument.

Nope. I just call it out when people say entirely unsubstantiated things. And you’re an expert at saying such things. I haven’t read one comment that levels an actual critique.

Of course it becomes important how many MPs the other parties have in the case of a hung parliament @Alsohuman

Labour couldn’t go into coalition with the SNP or Lib Dems (if they’d have them) if they didn’t have enough MPs to take them to a majority.

If the Tories are the largest party in a hung parliament but no one will do a deal with them, then it falls to the next biggest party to have a go at commanding the confidence of parliament.

If neither party wins a majority, then whoever forms a government will rely on the support of a different party - and if that different party is a good one, then they will rein in the extreme bollocks.

My dream scenario is neither party win a majority, neither can form a government and the leaders are forced to step down. We then get another election with better leaders.

Did you actually bother reading what I said?

You seemed to be challenging the notion that other parties getting MPs is important? Maybe I have misunderstood.

Jeez, glad I looked in this thread! There’s absolutely no respectful, informed debate going on here is there. Brilliant.

Is that supposed to bother us berringer?

@berringer, perhaps you’d like to show us respectful, informed debate? Have you read the entire thread, by the way?

I was reading it for the first couple of pages when it was filled with shills. And then I thought i’d Come back and have a look and see how the thread was doing, and now I know I think i’m In no danger of participating. I’ll leave you all to your nonsense. As you were you lefty loons and heartless cunts .

18.01...did Orwell say that?

I must admit watching the mental gymnastics of some of the most prominent socialist posters on here has put me right off labour, as well of course as the other stuff one reads about them.

But it's been a real insight into the brain type. I can see very clearly the sense off that Orwell post.

I think they are a pretty terrifying lot and anyone who stands with stalin and mao is a fat no from me.
I'm a swing voter BTW, currently, like many Jewish people, hard core tribal labour supporters etc.. Swinging well away from the Labour right now

Which poster on this thread is aligned with Stalin or Mao? I must have missed them?

Sorry not poster, corybn and macdonnel, happy to share platform with people waving flags associated with the most heinous murderous regimes in history.
Macdonnel even took mao red book into our parliament.

If he gets to No 10, he could not possibly be worse than the previous 3 PMs.

So long as Boris is OUT and his replacement isn't JRM, I am not honestly bothered who our next PM is.

You needn't worry. There's no chance in hell that Corbyn's getting anywhere near no10!

Double fun, everyday I'm becoming more reassured about that.

Thanks for popping in berringer!

I'm greatfull to the OP for trying to start a decent political debate. That obviously died of death very quickly which i think symbolises where the two main parties are. It also strikes me how the supporters of the main two are very quick when they feel there party is insulted to suggest the other is worse. They seem to think suggesting the other side is worse will legitimise the short comings of the party they support.

Im with the OP. Excuses are being exchanged as to which leader is the most stupid, which party is the most racist, which party has lied the most. For those of us who aren't supporting a politcal party like it's a football team (even if our parents still do), we arent being given much reason to vote for anyone, just more reasons why everyone is, apparently, a bit rubbish.

My own opinion is this thread is a bit like the current national diologue. Not much of a choice at all