Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

And it's difficult imo to know who to vote for. So far only 1 truth i see, they all bloody lie so why would i believe any policies of any party?

I've zero confidence in any of them. I hate the idea of not voting so will be doing a lot more research and going with whichever group doesn't contain my personal deal breakers of has less of them!

“And yet again we have the "people in the USA die" point being made despite the fact that nobody actually wants that system, nor it is being proposed by any political party, even the kitten-drowning Tories.”

Actions speak louder than unspoken words! There are Tory mps with shares in USA healthcare companies, who have and are discussing with them how things are run there far more than they do with healthcare companies/providers from other countries.

“Actually, what I suspect you’re saying is that you are willing to pay for yourself but not for anyone else.” Exactly

Excellent posts by deathgip and alsohuman

I wouldn't worry about Corbyn, OP.

I've as much chance of becoming prime minister as he has.

And yes the Tories are also borrowing, despite “austerity” (which is actually not austerity at all, just a slower rate of spending).

Oh I see! It’s not austerity! That’s brilliant, we’ll just tell the millions of people living in poverty that’s it’s not really austerity. The people dying unnecessarily.

You’re an economist are you? Because unlike the tories, Labour released a costed manifesto in 2017. Remember the Tory U-turn on dementia tax? I hope you were then posting on a forum asking how they’d pay for Brexit - they seem to have found the cash, haven’t they?

If they got tax for big companies inline with other countries and tied up loopholes similar to other countries wouldn't that stop them leaving? My understanding is they get much bigger tax breaks and their are bigger loopholes for tax in our country compared to others in Europe

It’s just scaremongering. Do people honestly believe that Amazon, McDonald’s, Topshop et al will pull out of the U.K.? Won’t happen. They’ve got a good deal here, and would still have a good deal under Labour’s policies, when compared to other countries. At least the government pays for maternity and paternity pay, their employees can access healthcare, they benefit from decent state funded infrastructure...

Sorry, meant read the 2017 manifesto and articles outlining probable 2019 policy.

I think the tories will privatise the NHS if they get in. But of course they aren't going to tell
us that. If we leave the EU and do trade talks with the US I think Trump will push it through- blackmailing us into it by refusing to do trade deals otherwise. I thought he'd pretty much said that already. He wants to sell his US drugs to hospitals without the reduced price we currently have compared to what US critizens pay.

I am also scared about what the tories are doing to our education system now. One of the main reasons I can't bring myself to vote for them.

We can never change the mind of people like ABCD above. But I do hope that my calling out some of the vague nonsense and lies on threads like these, there are people who will read further.

Many people have not survived the last five years of Tory government, and many more won’t survive another five years.

I am appalled that anyone can look around at what’s going on now and think “yes, I’m definitely voting for more of this”.

@mummyrocks1 where did you get hold of the Manifesto?

Deathgrip
I keep coming back to this thread to read your comments. You are eloquent and well-informed.
I feel like I'd be banging my head against a brick wall if I attempted to reply to some of the other comments on here.
I don't understand how people fall for the lies, half truths and spin put out by mainstream media... it's all a bit weird.

“Sorry, meant read the 2017 manifesto and articles outlining probable 2019 policy”

Yeah-course you did.

@AlphaBravoCharlieDelta I’ll just quote you here:

I think you’d better give Diane her abacus back, dear.

Are you saying Diane Abbott isn’t a women then? Because that seems like a ‘woman thing’ you’re using a pathetic insult. Tory through and through.

Shall- but JC is the super rich! He's a big hypocrite in that respect. Saying he's for the workers and low income people yet he's a multi-millionaire himself.

The little- also my concern for small and medium size businesses. My DH has a small business and we rely on his income. I don't get how labour think these businesses will be able to survive with some of their policies.

I thought I read labour would cut cooperation tax for small and medium sized businesses and only raise it for big businesses. But surely that takes away the motivation and growing incentive for these smaller businesses.

The manifesto’s been published?

“ yet he's a multi-millionaire himself“
Is Corbyn a multi millionaire? Source, please..

Shall- but JC is the super rich! He's a big hypocrite in that respect. Saying he's for the workers and low income people yet he's a multi-millionaire himself.

Is he? He has a parliamentary salary, he’ll get a pension when he retires and he owns a modest house in Islington. Doesn’t amount to super rich or multi millionaire in my book.

Corbyn’s net worth was probably published in the manifesto. The one that’s not been published yet.

How does having money make him a hypocrite?

He’s saying that those on the top 5% of salaries should pay more in tax. That includes himself, and he would be subject to those tax increases.

If he increases inheritance tax rates, he’ll be subject to them himself.

How is he a hypocrite? He is the leader of the opposition, a role with a high salary - you’re saying he shouldn’t take that salary?

I find it staggering that people can look at the overall political landscape - at Tory politicians making laws to benefit themselves and their mates, at their tax avoidance and expenses scandals - and then see a man who wants to tax higher earners like himself more for the good of the country, and call him a hypocrite!

It’s beyond belief.

Thanks Elodie, I appreciate that. I honestly rarely comment on posts like this any more because (as you can see) once I start I find it difficult to step away when the lies and scaremongering keep coming.

It’s reflective of how far to the right our national politics has swung when people are calling a slightly left of centre leader “far left” and a “Stalinist”. The tories and media have really done a number on this country. The tories have run the country into the ground, then managed to convince a huge section of the population that the problems they’ve caused are the fault of the EU.

All I can say, for those reading who are really unsure what to do and have a bad feeling about Corbyn that they can’t quantify, is read the manifestos. Listen to Corbyn speak. I don’t know how anyone can listen to him speak and call him unreasonable or evil or whatever else is being thrown around. He’s not what he’s been made out to be. He’s not perfect by any means, but he’s the absolute best chance we have of dragging the country back from the precipice at this point.

I am appalled that anyone can look around at what’s going on now and think “yes, I’m definitely voting for more of this”.

Then prepare to be appalled over and over again!

@Deathgrip, please keep posting on these threads. We really need some balance to counter the hysteria.

I’m glad you think it’s funny. I guess it’s not you or your family or friends whose lives are in complete crisis - maybe you’d develop some empathy and concern if it were.

Likewise Alsohuman - it’s so hard to make yourself engage when you’re just countering the same utter nonsense over and over again. But it’s worth trying.

@Deathgrip, it has to be done. There must be a lot of people who don’t post to these threads but read them and, hopefully, they’re getting some food for thought.

Oh, @CendrillonSings isn’t doing her little skippy dance in amongst the grown ups again, is she?

Oh, @CendrillonSings isn’t doing her little skippy dance in amongst the grown ups again, is she?

Yes indeed. I take it you’re posting your own disingenuous lefty nonsense as usual?