Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

That’s just an example of the income tax. I was trying to make it simple for the people on here that are bitching and moaning about their personal tax going up. Of course it doesn’t cover the extra needed to pull the country out of the horrific cuts the Tories have inflicted upon people.

Of course it doesn’t cover the extra needed

Finally some honesty.

That figure has been bandied about as the only extra cost needed to fund all the Labour pledges. ‘Gosh why would you not vote Labour when it’s only an extra 8 quid a week on your tax bill?’

But it won’t be.

Excellent post OP. You did a great job in the opening paragraphs explaining what a staunch labour supporter you and all you 'line' are. Very well done! I think your link to how worried you are about a labour government under Corbyn needed a little bit more effort though, you jumped in a bit two-footed there, next time (next user name) try a bigger intro and then gently work up to your fears.
The following paragraphs were good, suitably fear inducing, whilst being just a tad sensationalist, good job. And then ending on a nice easy question for a few more socks to answer. All in all 8/10
I would have scored it higher, but the repetitive nature of the post, I have seen about 20 from 'staunch labour supporters' who have come to the conclusion that they cannot support Corbyn on here in the last weeks means that I took points away for the lack of originality.

Keep going though I am sure that the Daily fail will pick it up anyway (once you have alerted them).

Typical socialist guff. I know you can only conceive of people being "given" money by the system or the State, but if they don't earn it themselves then they get sod all.

You do love your semantics @CendrillonSings. OK “provides your household” - better?

I am very willing to pay more tax, and believe in more equality for sure. However, I am not sure how the knock on effects of what Labour’s policies are, would benefit those I employ.
I own and run a small and successful day nursery, which has grown steadily under my ownership. Staff turnover is low. I offer flexible working, pay well above minimum wage for all staff, including unqualified members of the team. I do not use zero hours contracts, pay sick pay, pay for and allow time off for further training and qualifications, and generally try to be as fair and understanding as I can be. Staff feed back to me that they do feel valued regularly.
I have a two year waiting list, in an area which is saturated with nurseries and childminders. My fees are in line with the nurseries which are geographically close to me.
I offer both the 15 and 30 hour funded childcare sessions, which can be used in full, with no top up fees charged (the rate at which we are paid for these hours is 25% less than the market value hourly rate of the nursery). My nursery has a few children with special needs, and they have benefitted from a higher staff ratio and specialist resources paid for through a combination of successful applications for additional funding from the local authority and from the “profits” of the nursery itself.
If the minimum wage was raised to £10 per hour, this would be more in line with what some staff members are paid currently, so they would become “minimum wage employees”, whereas at present, they are not. This could then result in them feeling entitled to a proportionate wage rise so they remain above the minimum wage.
Labour intend to increase business rates, and extend the age of children entitled to “free” childcare from 3 year olds to two year olds.
The combination of pay increases, business rate increases and a higher number of children entitled to free childcare would make my business financially unviable unless either a) I increased my fees to self funded families dramatically or b) the legal requirements of adult to child ratio was dropped, in any case, this would lead to a sizeable drop of the quality of care I provide, and redundancies.
I am not greedy. I employ approx 20 people, and lead a comfortable lifestyle. I take a salary in line with what i would have taken as middle management in a medium size primary school, had I continued with my teaching career beyond the 14 years I gave to it. I object to being accused of not caring about others because I have made a success of my business and don’t think that Labour’s policies would allow my nursery to continue in the way that it currently does.
To add to this, both myself and my husband were bought up in social housing and attended the local comp. I was the first person in my family to attend university, my husband completed an apprenticeship. He now has a much bigger company than my little nursery, but he has pretty much identical ideas in how to treat employees. We have done well and would be regarded as highly successful by most. The fact that we are concerned about how a Labour government could affect our businesses does not make us selfish arseholes who just want to line our own pockets at anyones expense.

Dadshere you got it in one. Sick of theses twatty faux naive troll threads.
At least we know the competition are crapping themselves if they have to lower themselves to smear campaigns in parenting forums.
JC4PM

Hear, hear......some of us would rather send a big fuck you to the super rich than to the working poor. Voting Labour is our only hope to get our public services off its knees and the smear campaign against Corbyn only goes to show how worried the super rich are about him actually getting in.

TheLittle do you know how the extension of funded hours would be managed? Do you know whether labour would pay the same paltry rates as the tories do? You don’t, because their manifesto has not yet been released. Certainly last election they were talking about the same thing, and about ensuring childcare settings received better compensation for doing so.

You pay your staff above NMW but are concerned that an increase in NMW would make your employees NMW earners? Don’t you think it’s right that all employers should pay their employees as you do at the least?

And I trust Labour far more to support the kids with SEN in your setting - this is something I’m very familiar with and as you know the current system is massively letting disabled children down in early years settings.

Given the way things have gone over the last decade, do you honestly feel your business is safer under the tories? Plenty of nurseries have already been driven out of business by this government.

Anyone who earns a decent wage, owns a flat or a house or has a pension should be worried about this far left lunatic getting in.

Oh and Labour do not plan to increase business rates.

They plan to reform current business rates policy, to better support small businesses like yours!

smallbusiness.co.uk/business-rates-reform-key-says-labour-business-chairman-rachel-reeves-2548571/

Oh do engage intelligently or pipe down @CendrillonSings, it’s been demonstrated clearly numerous times that everything you say is far right scaremongering. Do you seriously think your tiresome nonsense convinces anyone?

Anyone who earns a decent wage, owns a flat or a house or has a pension should be worried about this far left lunatic getting in.

Far left lunatic?

You’re embarrassing yourself. Do you understand what far left is?

Throwing around vague statements like this without quantifying them is utterly pointless. Do you want to discuss the issues?

Never mind, I am sure that JC's mates will be along in a minute with some more Pravda-style rhetoric to confirm that you only need a CSE in human biology to administer chemotherapy and radiotherapy and that the NHS will be just as good when its run by Momentum the Labour party.

I honestly don’t know how anyone can even have a discussion with you when you make such ridiculous comments. The idea that a labour-run NHS would be so much than a Tory one is what’s lunacy, and not borne out by actual evidence or policy. But hey, you can afford private treatment and education, so you’re fine.

If you’re willing to leave the country over a marginal tax increase to improve public services, then go ahead. Your self-importance is staggering. I work with plenty of doctors who give a shit about the NHS and patient care, and they’re more than happy to stick around, pay in and encourage people to vote Labour because they want the NHS to still be here in a couple of decades.

You’re really not following the news, are you @Alpha? Borrowing, just like the Tories, who also seem to have found a magic money forest.

@AlphaBravoCharlieDelta do you feel like a big person dragging women down in the name of cheap insults?

This is still a terrible time to elect a posse of incontinent spenders

You won’t be voting Tory then? £100 million for pointless Brexit advertising was obviously a very wise use of our money.

I would also be more likely to vote labour if JC stood down.

I suggest people read the manifesto- I have.

He doesn't say he will close private schools, he says he will scrap the no VAT on fees.

He says free childcare for all children from aged 2 and then from 12 months.

A lot of the manifesto sounds good to me.

But- I am concerned with the reforms

for self employed and small and medium sized businesses. My DH is in this category. I think he will struggle to pay for the reforms JC wants. 12 months maternity leave, increasing minimum way, 4 week long paternity leave. Increased rights for trade unions. I am concerned this increase in business costs will be too much for small and medium sized businesses.

The nationalisation of water, rail, Royal Mail etc. I understand what this means but I am unclear what the consequences good and bad could be as a result?

The main thing- how the hell are they going to pay for it all?

Mistle- if big businesses left the UK they wouldn't pay any tax, plus we would loose millions of jobs.

Why vote one way because it's historic and your family does? Dh and my family are 'historic x/y supporters'. I couldn't give a flying fuck what they support and why. Some just vote for the name and dont actually support the ideals at all which is pointless.

When asked if we voted for x or y, both sides were frostily told it's a private vote and to mind their own. They were even told that when dh voted for the same they did.

“ I suggest people read the manifesto- I have.“
Really? I didn’t realise it was out yet. Can you link, please?

If they got tax for big companies inline with other countries and tied up loopholes similar to other countries wouldn't that stop them leaving? My understanding is they get much bigger tax breaks and their are bigger loopholes for tax in our country compared to others in Europe