Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

This was Angela Raynor’s comment in September:

“We would abolish Ofsted and we would replace it with a different system,” she said. “I believe Ofsted measures poverty. It measures deprivation. It doesn’t measure excellence. And I think Ofsted has to measure excellence. It’s driving these competitive league tables.

“I want parents to have confidence that regardless of where your child is educated or what your child’s abilities are, they will get the best possible education. And at the moment the current Ofsted system does not measure that.”

Do you disagree? Do you think Ofsted are effective? Do you think replacing it with a more effective system of monitoring might serve children better?

We don’t have the details yet, we need to see the manifesto.

Really? Can you back that up? Because I think your information is probably out of date.

I'm worried about women's rights being further eroded - and also antisemitism being tolerated and even encouraged. I am female but i'm not jewish, just for context. They're my main concerns about Corbyn and why i can't vote for him despite supporting many of his economic ideals.

I'm a deeply political person but I probably won't vote (again). My Labour MP is a horrible woke misogynist - openly so - who does fuck all for his constituents unless there's a gurning right-on photo op in it for him. The tories are incompetent misers. I'll probably have either a Lib Dem or Green candidate as an alternative to the first two - and they are now exposed as shameless woke paedophile apologists as parties - regardless of the individual merits of any candidate they might put forward.

No thanks. I might dream up a paricularly beautiful design with which to spoil my ballot though. When life gives you lemons...

Should everyone get the same shit service so it’s “fair”?

This is such a ridiculous argument.

What you’re saying is, it’s acceptable for poor (or rather, not wealthy) people to have shit service because we can’t fix it. Which is frankly bollocks. We just have to pay for it.

We have a two tier healthcare system, and a two tier education system. It’s unacceptable. That’s not the same thing as saying that everyone should experience the shit version so that it’s fair.

More money does not increase productivity - we learned that under Brown.

Do you know what? It does. I worked in the NHS when the Labour government flooded the NHS with money. Waiting times plummeted, as did time spent in A&E and everyone could get a GP appointment within 24 hours. Productivity rocketed.

And more people aren’t willing to pay, they do so because they feel they have little option. The number of beds in the UK has fallen by 14k since 2010 according to the BMA, hence lengthy waiting times, hence more people paying to jump the queue and get a nicer room. Because otherwise they’re getting precisely what the NHS provides.

But the reason (or at least part of the reason) we have such a dreadful healthcare system is because it’s government run and taxpayer funded. That, and almost infinite demand, means there will never be enough money.

This is just hyperbolic.

The reason we have a reasonably effective but inefficient healthcare system is because it’s not being funded properly. It’s not about money because we’ve certainly found the money to throw at Brexit and the DUP. It’s not a priority to a government who want to privatise it. When you look at all of the formerly nationalised services which have been partly privatised (train companies while we maintain the rail network, utilities while we maintain the infrastructure, post office while we maintain the rail network), none of these things have improved as a result of these moves. The reports from people who are dealing with private providers of primary care are shocking, far more so than those using nhs services.

There obviously is not “almost infinite demand” either.

There are massive inefficiencies in the NHS. These can be addressed where there’s the will to do so. The wasting of funds is an epidemic, as is the duplication of work. I was recently involved in the procurement of a paperless system for a specific NHS department in my county - multiple providers all quoting exorbitant fees for systems already in use in other parts of the country, and having different providers for different departments means then having to try to link up systems across the service and across county lines which proves impossible and even more costly. The cost of contracting out this work and selling packages to every CCG separately is far far higher than it could ever have been for the NHS to develop universal systems in house, which would then be employed across the country and automatically compatible. Every few years something else needs to be added and the process starts again. We are talking billions of pounds here.

The sense that we’ve gone so far down the road towards privatisation that we might as well go further because it’s already fucked anyway is exactly what the government want.

I don’t see how trying to fund it properly, and trying to resolve the issues that exist, is a riskier move than what’s currently happening.

www.bma.org.uk/-/media/files/pdfs/collective%20voice/policy%20research/nhs%20structure%20and%20delivery/stp-and-bed-numbers-in-england-arm_aug2018.pdf?la=en

fullfact.org/health/have-nhs-waiting-times-got-better-or-worse-pick-your-measure/

All anecdote?

I'm willing to pay! I want to be spoken to like I'm actually worth something. I want a gp to be interested in me and my symptoms without trying to get me out as quickly as possible. I want to get an appointment without having to go through the terrifying receptionists! I'd pay fir that!

Well go and pay then @Trewser! There are plenty of private healthcare providers, fill your boots.

Sadly, some people can't afford to pay. I have gestational diabetes & at the moment women who have this get treated with insulin. In the states there are women with this condition who can't afford their insulin so are going through their pregnancies with all the risks leaving it uncontrolled brings to their babies and them. And if the Tories have their way that's how it will be here too.

And if the Tories have their way that's how it will be here too

No it won't.

Standing ovation for death grip and alsohuman!

Since the financial crash of 2008, the super-rich have got vastly, vastly richer, while the poor, which includes middle-class have got vastly poorer, under the guise of austerity. (Evidence is online). This is a money-grab aided by, for example, lower wages, shitty zero hours contracts, keeping house prices artificially inflated, privatising NHS and other services, which directly translates into a poor quality of life for so so many people, in this country and other countries. At the worst end there is ever-growing homelessness, kids growing up in poverty, food banks, lower life expectancy etc, in the middle there is bad quality healthcare, and things like having to pay for cataracts as it's no longer offered on the NHS, and schools not being properly equipped or funded.

Conservative government is all about the super-rich getting richer, and fuck everyone else. A majority of people don't have a use anymore as we don't have industry for them to work in.

I honestly don't know how anyone apart from super-rich, and absolute selfish cunts, would vote for conservatives.

The media have made a concerted effort to badmouth and discredit JC and the Labour Party. Why would they bother, they're not even in power? The anti-Semitism charges have been very useful haven't they, in making Labour look like the bad guys?

Sorry for rant.

No private gps near me. I did go privately for menopause though.

“ I am willing to pay too, just not via increased taxes to a failing system. ”

Actually, what I suspect you’re saying is that you are willing to pay for yourself but not for anyone else.

Just going to leave this here. And agree with @BertrandRussell, people don’t want to help others when they can help themselves. Tory mentality all over.

I am willing to pay too, just not via increased taxes to a failing system.

The failing system that gives your household a six figure income. Such hypocrisy.

I am willing to pay AND pay more tax!

Tbf if you earn over 100k you really do have enough.

@MustardScreams check your maths, what is proposed in your picture wouldn’t even cover the increased funding for the NHS, let alone the rest of it.

MustardScreams

Do you really think we're stupid enough to believe that that tax alone will pay for Labour's hundreds of billions in extra spending? Pull the other one!

Alsohuman

The failing system that gives your household a six figure income. Such hypocrisy.

Typical socialist guff. I know you can only conceive of people being "given" money by the system or the State, but if they don't earn it themselves then they get sod all.

@Deathgrip It doesn’t measure excellence. And I think Ofsted has to measure excellence

Measuring ‘excellence’ is the biggest fucking problem with Ofsted. Trying to measure ‘excellence’ in education is actually a massive cause of some of the major issues we face. One easy way to sort some of the issues would be to scrap the Outstanding grade. Schools have been calling for it for years. But apparently ‘parents like it’.

But no, Labour want to instead get schools to overthrow everything and dance to their tune of excellence. It’s a massive workload issue.

And the proposed plans to replace Ofsted with local LA monitoring is just such a pile of shit I can’t even begin to....